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Google has not pushed anything relevant to the user space for many, many years. It's not without reason people meme about Google Graveyard. Here in Hackernews,

Google has not pushed anything relevant to the user space for many, many years. It's not without reason people meme about Google Graveyard. Here in Hackernews, people constantly whine about their ads, their irrelevant google search, and what have you. Their latest "flagship" phone is littered with bugs. I wouldn't call them "evolving" anything software as of late. Their hard science departments seem good though, but these aren't software engineering

lrem 4y ago
Is product definition a part of software engineering?
zaphirplane 4y ago
TrueTime and spanner definitely fall in the wow category at least for me Microsoft one of the worlds top software companies couldn’t keep up with chrome. There are a lot of projects that look easy at a POC stage and are very different at million of users, millions of tps, millions of TB or full featured
- rizzaxc 4y ago
  Chrome was released in 2008. Microsoft is doing fine with Edge, though it's a moot point because Microsoft is even older and more sluggish than Google. Spanner seems a prototypical Google dev product though; it's only invented to serve Google. I don't think any of their solutions is the de facto choice in any tech stack.
  - meowtimemania 4y ago
    Edge is just reskinned chrome browser. They discontinued their previous browser
  - dekhn 4y ago
    Spanner is definitely the system I would want to use if I had $$$, ran on GCP, and needed to do large-scale distributed database processing. It was invented to serve Google (really: the people who had outgrown bigtable's limited featureset) but is widely applicable.
sdevonoes 4y ago
> Google has not pushed anything relevant to the user space for many, many years. 80% of software engineering is not about pushing but maintaining. I'm not the one who praises Google (far from that), but using "pushing anything relevant" as a metric is not correct imho.
- rizzaxc 4y ago
  I touched on that. Their search is highly gameable now, they don't care about correctness anymore. Youtube has incessant ads and their recommendation system sucks - I have to turn it off

lrem 4y ago

Is product definition a part of software engineering?

zaphirplane 4y ago

TrueTime and spanner definitely fall in the wow category at least for me Microsoft one of the worlds top software companies couldn’t keep up with chrome. There are a lot of projects that look easy at a POC stage and are very different at million of users, millions of tps, millions of TB or full featured

rizzaxc 4y ago
Chrome was released in 2008. Microsoft is doing fine with Edge, though it's a moot point because Microsoft is even older and more sluggish than Google. Spanner seems a prototypical Google dev product though; it's only invented to serve Google. I don't think any of their solutions is the de facto choice in any tech stack.
- meowtimemania 4y ago
  Edge is just reskinned chrome browser. They discontinued their previous browser
- dekhn 4y ago
  Spanner is definitely the system I would want to use if I had $$$, ran on GCP, and needed to do large-scale distributed database processing. It was invented to serve Google (really: the people who had outgrown bigtable's limited featureset) but is widely applicable.

sdevonoes 4y ago

> Google has not pushed anything relevant to the user space for many, many years. 80% of software engineering is not about pushing but maintaining. I'm not the one who praises Google (far from that), but using "pushing anything relevant" as a metric is not correct imho.

rizzaxc 4y ago
I touched on that. Their search is highly gameable now, they don't care about correctness anymore. Youtube has incessant ads and their recommendation system sucks - I have to turn it off