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Talking about notch/hole-punch displays. As somebody who never ever uses front-facing camera, can I have a phone/display without such defects, please?

Saint_Genet 4y ago
If you sum together the stuff people in this thread has suggested, you have the Homers Car of phones on your hands
- mjevans 4y ago
  It's this or a Youtube clip that's maybe monetized by Disney at best... https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer The Homer was a car that Home Simpson built to exactly what they wanted without any tradeoffs for off the shelf components, trends, or sensibility of what currently was common. It's also somewhat design by committee, with features like a more luxurious bubble for the adults, and a micro-bubble for the kids; presumably so you can ignore anything but the screams or silence. I also suspect this fictional car might have been an ingredient in the market shifting from minivans to SUVs. Those don't have such great audio isolation but were even taller than the minivans (which were taller than station wagons). Or it could be the 'backup camera' finally reaching a tolerable price level.
  - 7speter 4y ago
    I also suspect this fictional car might have been an ingredient in the market shifting from minivans to SUVs The simpsons also did the canyonero: https://youtu.be/PI_Jl5WFQkA https://youtu.be/PI_Jl5WFQkA
    - lowercased 4y ago
      Didn't Homer buy the women's model? Was it the F-series?
      - 7speter 4y ago
        I dont remember, I remember this as an end of episode gag/commentary on the suv’s rising popularity of the 90s
- gopher_space 4y ago
  It's really just the iPhone 3GS.
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- Dylan16807 4y ago
  ...what stuff? The suggestions I'm seeing are yes hole punch, no hole punch, a screen you can use with one hand, just enough battery-filled thickness to have no camera bump, good camera, microsd, fingerprint sensor, headphone jack. And one person wants a keyboard but I don't think they're suggesting that for this phone. Once you decide if you want a hole punch or not, I see no issue with implementing the rest of those features in the same phone in a reasonable way.
brnaftr361 4y ago
Yeah, no kidding. How much of the small phone demo overlaps with the selfie demo? I could go without a front camera.
- nfoz 4y ago
  "selfie"? Video-calls are especially normalized now, since the pandemic. My family and friends use video-calls more often than voice-only calls now.
  - brnaftr361 4y ago
    You do that on the phone? I'd never. And nobody I know has changed their communication. Discord, text, call. Everyone in my milieu is painfully average.
    - jan_g 4y ago
      Nobody? I'm sort of in the same boat (I quite dislike video calls), but my extended family (from young to 60+) have started during pandemic and now continue to video call each other quite regularly - including group video calls. As I said, not my preference and I rarely join, but for example my wife does video calls almost on a daily basis. So the "selfie" camera seems to be increasingly an important feature for the regular user.
      - brnaftr361 4y ago
        I've seen it used once and to a disastrous result. I kinda feel like there are other workarounds too: I remember one of the Motorola phones was designed for expansions, but that was pre-USB C. If you had a horizontally symmetrical phone, maybe widgets could solve the problem? Front facing and rear facing, while also being privacy respecting, no notch necessary, and similar resolution to boot. so maybe easier to source. Free up some room on the SOC and relieve some complexity while providing the added benefit of port protection. Presumably this could be applied to SD and obviously 3.5mm jacks.
shdon 4y ago
Indeed. Those notches, hole-punches etc, I could do without. I very much prefer to have a bit of bezel and have a proper screen (preferably even with angular corners, rather than rounded corners). This also helps when handing the phone to somebody else to show them something... they have a place to hold the darn thing without accidentally swiping, tapping, or - worst of all - hitting the back button.
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- Tijdreiziger 4y ago
  Apparently, Android now has an option to emulate a bezel, thus hiding the hole-punch camera.
boring_twenties 4y ago
On my G7 Play with LineageOS, I was able to "disable" the notch -- that is, draw a black bar around it, and have a proper rectangular display with a full-width status bar right below it. Works great, especially considering the display is not quite small enough for me in the first place.
- timoth 4y ago
  You can do that with the stock Android too, once you've enabled the developer options in settings. The setting needed is "Display cutout" --> "Hide".
srmarm 4y ago
It probably wouldn't work well for a small phone, by my oppo has a pop up camera which works much better than I'd expected. Majority of the time I enjoy a full screen experience with a tiny bezel. If I need the selfie cam it silently and very quickly is there. I think they didn't catch on as they are complicated and inhibit IP68 ratings. But I think I'll struggle to move on from it. The notches and hole punch cameras just look like an irritating defect when I use them.
cercatrova 4y ago
No, because there are so few of people with your opinion that those types of phones will not sell enough to recoup costs, much less make a profit. At most, you can buy a phone with a pop-up camera (the OnePlus 7T Pro is nice, although a few years old now) [0]. [0] https://www.androidauthority.com/pop-up-camera-phones-slider-phones-1009732/ https://www.androidauthority.com/pop-up-camera-phones-slider...
- dsr_ 4y ago
  The popup selfie cam on the 7pro is very, very good, because: a) guaranteed not to be on until it's out b) never eats screen space, ever My current phone is a 7pro. I haven't seen a good replacement yet.
  - deckard1 4y ago
    same. It's a shame OnePlus decided to drop the popup camera. They had a really solid mechanism. Going back to a screen with a notch or hole just feels primitive.
hedora 4y ago
The hole punch is a nice to have. A phone with a case that was half the area of a pixel 6 pro, and also had a top bezel would still have a perfectly usable screen.

Saint_Genet 4y ago

If you sum together the stuff people in this thread has suggested, you have the Homers Car of phones on your hands

mjevans 4y ago
It's this or a Youtube clip that's maybe monetized by Disney at best... https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer The Homer was a car that Home Simpson built to exactly what they wanted without any tradeoffs for off the shelf components, trends, or sensibility of what currently was common. It's also somewhat design by committee, with features like a more luxurious bubble for the adults, and a micro-bubble for the kids; presumably so you can ignore anything but the screams or silence. I also suspect this fictional car might have been an ingredient in the market shifting from minivans to SUVs. Those don't have such great audio isolation but were even taller than the minivans (which were taller than station wagons). Or it could be the 'backup camera' finally reaching a tolerable price level.
- 7speter 4y ago
  I also suspect this fictional car might have been an ingredient in the market shifting from minivans to SUVs The simpsons also did the canyonero: https://youtu.be/PI_Jl5WFQkA https://youtu.be/PI_Jl5WFQkA
  - lowercased 4y ago
    Didn't Homer buy the women's model? Was it the F-series?
    - 7speter 4y ago
      I dont remember, I remember this as an end of episode gag/commentary on the suv’s rising popularity of the 90s
gopher_space 4y ago
It's really just the iPhone 3GS.
deleted 4y ago
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Dylan16807 4y ago
...what stuff? The suggestions I'm seeing are yes hole punch, no hole punch, a screen you can use with one hand, just enough battery-filled thickness to have no camera bump, good camera, microsd, fingerprint sensor, headphone jack. And one person wants a keyboard but I don't think they're suggesting that for this phone. Once you decide if you want a hole punch or not, I see no issue with implementing the rest of those features in the same phone in a reasonable way.

brnaftr361 4y ago

Yeah, no kidding. How much of the small phone demo overlaps with the selfie demo? I could go without a front camera.

nfoz 4y ago
"selfie"? Video-calls are especially normalized now, since the pandemic. My family and friends use video-calls more often than voice-only calls now.
- brnaftr361 4y ago
  You do that on the phone? I'd never. And nobody I know has changed their communication. Discord, text, call. Everyone in my milieu is painfully average.
  - jan_g 4y ago
    Nobody? I'm sort of in the same boat (I quite dislike video calls), but my extended family (from young to 60+) have started during pandemic and now continue to video call each other quite regularly - including group video calls. As I said, not my preference and I rarely join, but for example my wife does video calls almost on a daily basis. So the "selfie" camera seems to be increasingly an important feature for the regular user.
    - brnaftr361 4y ago
      I've seen it used once and to a disastrous result. I kinda feel like there are other workarounds too: I remember one of the Motorola phones was designed for expansions, but that was pre-USB C. If you had a horizontally symmetrical phone, maybe widgets could solve the problem? Front facing and rear facing, while also being privacy respecting, no notch necessary, and similar resolution to boot. so maybe easier to source. Free up some room on the SOC and relieve some complexity while providing the added benefit of port protection. Presumably this could be applied to SD and obviously 3.5mm jacks.

shdon 4y ago

Indeed. Those notches, hole-punches etc, I could do without. I very much prefer to have a bit of bezel and have a proper screen (preferably even with angular corners, rather than rounded corners). This also helps when handing the phone to somebody else to show them something... they have a place to hold the darn thing without accidentally swiping, tapping, or - worst of all - hitting the back button.

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Tijdreiziger 4y ago
Apparently, Android now has an option to emulate a bezel, thus hiding the hole-punch camera.

boring_twenties 4y ago

On my G7 Play with LineageOS, I was able to "disable" the notch -- that is, draw a black bar around it, and have a proper rectangular display with a full-width status bar right below it. Works great, especially considering the display is not quite small enough for me in the first place.

timoth 4y ago
You can do that with the stock Android too, once you've enabled the developer options in settings. The setting needed is "Display cutout" --> "Hide".

srmarm 4y ago

It probably wouldn't work well for a small phone, by my oppo has a pop up camera which works much better than I'd expected. Majority of the time I enjoy a full screen experience with a tiny bezel. If I need the selfie cam it silently and very quickly is there. I think they didn't catch on as they are complicated and inhibit IP68 ratings. But I think I'll struggle to move on from it. The notches and hole punch cameras just look like an irritating defect when I use them.

cercatrova 4y ago

No, because there are so few of people with your opinion that those types of phones will not sell enough to recoup costs, much less make a profit. At most, you can buy a phone with a pop-up camera (the OnePlus 7T Pro is nice, although a few years old now) [0]. [0] https://www.androidauthority.com/pop-up-camera-phones-slider-phones-1009732/ https://www.androidauthority.com/pop-up-camera-phones-slider...

dsr_ 4y ago
The popup selfie cam on the 7pro is very, very good, because: a) guaranteed not to be on until it's out b) never eats screen space, ever My current phone is a 7pro. I haven't seen a good replacement yet.
- deckard1 4y ago
  same. It's a shame OnePlus decided to drop the popup camera. They had a really solid mechanism. Going back to a screen with a notch or hole just feels primitive.

hedora 4y ago

The hole punch is a nice to have. A phone with a case that was half the area of a pixel 6 pro, and also had a top bezel would still have a perfectly usable screen.