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Intel is done. Gelsinger can do his best to rally the troops but it's too late to catch up with Apple Silicon. The M1 came out in 2020 and Intel is still unable

Intel is done. Gelsinger can do his best to rally the troops but it's too late to catch up with Apple Silicon. The M1 came out in 2020 and Intel is still unable to match it. The M2 is coming this year, leaving Intel ever further behind.

ejb999 4y ago
then again, not everyone runs on a mac, and won't be anytime soon.
- xwdv 4y ago
  Doesn’t matter.
  - ejb999 4y ago
    right, because the millions of computers in corporate America running windows are all just going to be thrown out and converted to m1/m2 macs. I prefer mac, and use them everyday, but the prediction of the death of intel are premature. They don't need to be faster than M1s or M2s, they just need to be at least as fast, or faster than what people need them to be to surf the web, create spreadsheets and power points and run all that legacy enterprise software that only runs on windows. Macs are better, but they are much more expensive on average; were I work (mega-corp), I can order a new windows machine whenever I want - if I need to get or upgrade my mac, it needs to be justified and approved two levels up from me, and really only developers and some graphics folks ever get approval - and my company probably buys/replaces 30K-40K machines every year 99% of which are running windows on intel.
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Remnant44 4y ago
It's extremely possible for a product to be strictly dominated by another on technical merits and still be successful. "Intel is done" because Apple produced a great chip focuses on only one small (albeit very important!) part of the puzzle.
mugivarra69 4y ago
- malfist 4y ago
  Apparently not benchmarks
dboreham 4y ago
I'm so old I've seen many of these cycles where some new CPU blew everything else away and everyone said the competitors were done. Most of these "competitor-killer" CPUs are not even remembered today (HP PA-7000 anyone?)
- sophacles 4y ago
  Intel even did it to themselves. Itanium was supposed to be an x86 killer iirc.
  - booi 4y ago
    Itanium didn't work but not only because of hardware. They didn't invest nearly enough in developer relations, compiler tech, contributions to other compilers and working with Microsoft to ensure a good landing spot for their tech. That and huge die sizes which in turn resulted in high prices just didn't make it competitive considering all the other stuff.
- madengr 4y ago
- pram 4y ago
  PA-RISC will be remembered forever in the hearts of many: https://youtu.be/VLTh4uVJduI https://youtu.be/VLTh4uVJduI
- scarface74 4y ago
  The difference is their competitors neither had the volume or the margins to stay competitive. Mobile is much larger than desktop/server.
intricatedetail 4y ago
I hate Apple, but every time I run something resource intensive on my laptop and it starts to sound like a plane going to take off I go to Apple.com and hover over Check out button. Once there is a reliable way to run Linux on M1/2 I'll switch.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Why do you think that Linux would run as fast or efficiently on an M1 Mac as an operating system that was designed from the ground up to run well on it?
  - lvl102 4y ago
    For devs, MacOS is still pia. Asahi is still far behind. I just don’t get why Apple wouldn’t embrace Linux. Who’s stopping that from happening now that Jobs is gone?
    - scarface74 4y ago
      What benefit does Apple get by “embracing Linux”? And more “devs” are using Macs than Linux so it must not be too bad. That’s not even to mention that Android developers are saying Macs are fasted for development than x86 PCs and of course iOS developers are using Macs. What benefit is there in “embracing Linux” for Apple? Better software? Better hardware support? Popularity?
  - didibus 4y ago
    I don't think it's about running faster, clearly OP wants to use Linux over MacOS, same for me. For dev work Linux is still king, and I happen to also personally prefer the KDE UX over MacOS. So while Mac laptops are great hardware wise, it doesn't run the software I want, so that's why I'm still buying laptops made for Windows.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Except when dev work means anything related to graphics programming, than the king is naked.

ejb999 4y ago

then again, not everyone runs on a mac, and won't be anytime soon.

xwdv 4y ago
Doesn’t matter.
- ejb999 4y ago
  right, because the millions of computers in corporate America running windows are all just going to be thrown out and converted to m1/m2 macs. I prefer mac, and use them everyday, but the prediction of the death of intel are premature. They don't need to be faster than M1s or M2s, they just need to be at least as fast, or faster than what people need them to be to surf the web, create spreadsheets and power points and run all that legacy enterprise software that only runs on windows. Macs are better, but they are much more expensive on average; were I work (mega-corp), I can order a new windows machine whenever I want - if I need to get or upgrade my mac, it needs to be justified and approved two levels up from me, and really only developers and some graphics folks ever get approval - and my company probably buys/replaces 30K-40K machines every year 99% of which are running windows on intel.
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Remnant44 4y ago

It's extremely possible for a product to be strictly dominated by another on technical merits and still be successful. "Intel is done" because Apple produced a great chip focuses on only one small (albeit very important!) part of the puzzle.

mugivarra69 4y ago

malfist 4y ago
Apparently not benchmarks

dboreham 4y ago

I'm so old I've seen many of these cycles where some new CPU blew everything else away and everyone said the competitors were done. Most of these "competitor-killer" CPUs are not even remembered today (HP PA-7000 anyone?)

sophacles 4y ago
Intel even did it to themselves. Itanium was supposed to be an x86 killer iirc.
- booi 4y ago
  Itanium didn't work but not only because of hardware. They didn't invest nearly enough in developer relations, compiler tech, contributions to other compilers and working with Microsoft to ensure a good landing spot for their tech. That and huge die sizes which in turn resulted in high prices just didn't make it competitive considering all the other stuff.
madengr 4y ago
pram 4y ago
PA-RISC will be remembered forever in the hearts of many: https://youtu.be/VLTh4uVJduI https://youtu.be/VLTh4uVJduI
scarface74 4y ago
The difference is their competitors neither had the volume or the margins to stay competitive. Mobile is much larger than desktop/server.

intricatedetail 4y ago

I hate Apple, but every time I run something resource intensive on my laptop and it starts to sound like a plane going to take off I go to Apple.com and hover over Check out button. Once there is a reliable way to run Linux on M1/2 I'll switch.

scarface74 4y ago
Why do you think that Linux would run as fast or efficiently on an M1 Mac as an operating system that was designed from the ground up to run well on it?
- lvl102 4y ago
  For devs, MacOS is still pia. Asahi is still far behind. I just don’t get why Apple wouldn’t embrace Linux. Who’s stopping that from happening now that Jobs is gone?
  - scarface74 4y ago
    What benefit does Apple get by “embracing Linux”? And more “devs” are using Macs than Linux so it must not be too bad. That’s not even to mention that Android developers are saying Macs are fasted for development than x86 PCs and of course iOS developers are using Macs. What benefit is there in “embracing Linux” for Apple? Better software? Better hardware support? Popularity?
- didibus 4y ago
  I don't think it's about running faster, clearly OP wants to use Linux over MacOS, same for me. For dev work Linux is still king, and I happen to also personally prefer the KDE UX over MacOS. So while Mac laptops are great hardware wise, it doesn't run the software I want, so that's why I'm still buying laptops made for Windows.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Except when dev work means anything related to graphics programming, than the king is naked.