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Via New York Post as per Project Veritas... need we continue?

rvz 4y ago
Actually yes. Let us look at the evidence first before quickly dismissing the article because 'It's NY Post, therefore fake.' or 'right wing source = fake'. One of the engineer's own profile(s) can found here: [0][1] after they deleted their Twitter, LinkedIn account(s), Siru is short for Sirushti. The YouTube video seems to be legitimate and real. If it gets removed for some reason, it would further prove that it is undeniable evidence that a certain company would not want others to see on the platform - causing a Streisand effect to find it. [0] https://ask.fm/professionals/sirushti-murugesan%27s-email/154644445 https://ask.fm/professionals/sirushti-murugesan%27s-email/15... [1] https://twitter.com/eikinkloster/status/1526451162638979072 https://twitter.com/eikinkloster/status/1526451162638979072
- 0x0000000 4y ago
  Sorry, but no. Project Veritas doesn't just lack credibility, they have knowingly and intentionally been deceptive and malicious. They do not get the benefit of the doubt. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publicity for its targets, and has propagated disinformation and conspiracy theories in its videos and operations.
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  - rvz 4y ago
    Have you disproven the claims and the validity of the video or even the leaked Twitter all hands video by them which that is still circulating around the internet and even the same media outlets are also in directly referencing it? I have not seen a full refutation or disproving of those video(s) since their release and the claims made about Twitter being 'fake'. Sorry, but yes. I have heard from the other side and I could not hear anything because they were either still silent, did not report it or referenced the matter with very careful wording. Maybe it is because it was true, since there was no denial or debunking around the leaked all hands, or even this video.
    - tmottabr 4y ago
      the problem is that the video does not prove the claims it makes to begin with.. it is just a bunch of random phrases out of context put in a way to convey the desired message from a source that lack any credibility.. so the video has no validity to begin with for us to disprove.. unless you have access to the source material and can give context to the stuff that was being discussed in those multiple conversations i see no reason we should trust or care about this video.. edit: fixing typos.
      - slowhand09 4y ago
        This commonly called the "Burden of Proof" fallacy. That you may have to dig deeper to find facts supporting or attacking a position doesn't invalidate the assertion.
      - rvz 4y ago
        > it is just a bunch of random phrases out of context put in a way to convey the desired message from a source that lack any credibility.. Is that why Twitter hasn't responded to them? Hence no denial or refutation from them? Just like they did not respond to the leaked all hands video? > so the video has no validity to begin with for us to disprove.. If that is so, why hasn't it been debunked yet? Why hasn't Project Veritas retracted it immediately then if they're wrong? Either way, if Twitter / YouTube removes it they have something to hide and if they don't respond with a refutation, it makes the claims more believable. It gets worse the more they hesitate. > unless you have access to the source material and can give context to the stuff that was being discussed in those multiple conversations i see no reason we should trust or care about this video.. Perhaps you can ask them to post that video in full, since they were able to post the full leaked Twitter all hands video which lots of the same so-called 'trusted' media sources also cared to indirectly reference it as well in their own articles about the all hands meeting. So unless you have a full debunking of both this video's confessions and also the leaked Twitter all hands video that these media sources was referencing, then we can only conclude that this video as it stands is legitimate and still remains un-refuted and still not debunked by anyone.
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  - Proven 4y ago
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  - Vaslo 4y ago
    Yes no bias in Wikipedia either lol.
    - dekhn 4y ago
      It's fairly widely concluded amongst free-thinking peoples that Veritas is not operating in good faith. They are a highly calculating group with a goal of changing public opinion through selectively interpretations. If you don't want to believe that, it's fine, but let's be frank here: it's fairly easy to understand who and what veritas is from the talks given by its founder.
- blitzar 4y ago
  Skills: Algorithms So he must have seen (if not written) the "source code" everyone is talking about these days - why didnt he out the brain manipulation population control algorithm as the deep state left wing project that people claim it is ... Oh thats right, it isnt. Or maybe he is a nobody (lol Senior Engineer - that is basically an intern right?)
yesco 4y ago
I'm not sure I understand?
- dekhn 4y ago
  neither is a particularly good source for actionable intelligence.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Do you not believe the video evidence or do you just dismiss it because CNN or Fox didn't give it their stamp of approval to qualify it as "news"?
    - dekhn 4y ago
      I do believe that's a video from a twitter engineer. What I don't do is conclude anything about what actually happens inside twitter based on that video. It's not evidence of anything, it's a person saying a thing, which may correlate with the actual truth, but when it's presented by groups that have well-known biases, it's easier to see it as propaganda, not "news".
    - rvz 4y ago
      There you go. You even have some news sites that also covered the leak of the Twitter all hands video that directly cited PV. I'm sure there was no (and still no) denials around the credibility around that one. This one now has an engineer directly admitting the internal Twitter feud and chaos about Elon on video and in turn, deleted his accounts while an internal Twitter email was sent around mentioning PV by name again. So far ZERO refutation(s) or debunking from anyone about those videos and 1 so called 'response' from Twitter being aware of the leaks. Therefore it has been admitted.
  - DLA 4y ago
    You mean like the Hunter laptop story what was later determined to be true … even by the “paper of record” New York Times?
arrakis2021 4y ago
Did you watch the video?
10amxn10 4y ago
mlindner 4y ago
Of course they were motivated, that's undeniable, but the video is the evidence.

rvz 4y ago

Actually yes. Let us look at the evidence first before quickly dismissing the article because 'It's NY Post, therefore fake.' or 'right wing source = fake'. One of the engineer's own profile(s) can found here: [0][1] after they deleted their Twitter, LinkedIn account(s), Siru is short for Sirushti. The YouTube video seems to be legitimate and real. If it gets removed for some reason, it would further prove that it is undeniable evidence that a certain company would not want others to see on the platform - causing a Streisand effect to find it. [0] https://ask.fm/professionals/sirushti-murugesan%27s-email/154644445 https://ask.fm/professionals/sirushti-murugesan%27s-email/15... [1] https://twitter.com/eikinkloster/status/1526451162638979072 https://twitter.com/eikinkloster/status/1526451162638979072

0x0000000 4y ago
Sorry, but no. Project Veritas doesn't just lack credibility, they have knowingly and intentionally been deceptive and malicious. They do not get the benefit of the doubt. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publicity for its targets, and has propagated disinformation and conspiracy theories in its videos and operations.
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- rvz 4y ago
  Have you disproven the claims and the validity of the video or even the leaked Twitter all hands video by them which that is still circulating around the internet and even the same media outlets are also in directly referencing it? I have not seen a full refutation or disproving of those video(s) since their release and the claims made about Twitter being 'fake'. Sorry, but yes. I have heard from the other side and I could not hear anything because they were either still silent, did not report it or referenced the matter with very careful wording. Maybe it is because it was true, since there was no denial or debunking around the leaked all hands, or even this video.
  - tmottabr 4y ago
    the problem is that the video does not prove the claims it makes to begin with.. it is just a bunch of random phrases out of context put in a way to convey the desired message from a source that lack any credibility.. so the video has no validity to begin with for us to disprove.. unless you have access to the source material and can give context to the stuff that was being discussed in those multiple conversations i see no reason we should trust or care about this video.. edit: fixing typos.
    - slowhand09 4y ago
      This commonly called the "Burden of Proof" fallacy. That you may have to dig deeper to find facts supporting or attacking a position doesn't invalidate the assertion.
    - rvz 4y ago
      > it is just a bunch of random phrases out of context put in a way to convey the desired message from a source that lack any credibility.. Is that why Twitter hasn't responded to them? Hence no denial or refutation from them? Just like they did not respond to the leaked all hands video? > so the video has no validity to begin with for us to disprove.. If that is so, why hasn't it been debunked yet? Why hasn't Project Veritas retracted it immediately then if they're wrong? Either way, if Twitter / YouTube removes it they have something to hide and if they don't respond with a refutation, it makes the claims more believable. It gets worse the more they hesitate. > unless you have access to the source material and can give context to the stuff that was being discussed in those multiple conversations i see no reason we should trust or care about this video.. Perhaps you can ask them to post that video in full, since they were able to post the full leaked Twitter all hands video which lots of the same so-called 'trusted' media sources also cared to indirectly reference it as well in their own articles about the all hands meeting. So unless you have a full debunking of both this video's confessions and also the leaked Twitter all hands video that these media sources was referencing, then we can only conclude that this video as it stands is legitimate and still remains un-refuted and still not debunked by anyone.
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- Proven 4y ago
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- Vaslo 4y ago
  Yes no bias in Wikipedia either lol.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    It's fairly widely concluded amongst free-thinking peoples that Veritas is not operating in good faith. They are a highly calculating group with a goal of changing public opinion through selectively interpretations. If you don't want to believe that, it's fine, but let's be frank here: it's fairly easy to understand who and what veritas is from the talks given by its founder.
blitzar 4y ago
Skills: Algorithms So he must have seen (if not written) the "source code" everyone is talking about these days - why didnt he out the brain manipulation population control algorithm as the deep state left wing project that people claim it is ... Oh thats right, it isnt. Or maybe he is a nobody (lol Senior Engineer - that is basically an intern right?)

yesco 4y ago

I'm not sure I understand?

dekhn 4y ago
neither is a particularly good source for actionable intelligence.
- yucky 4y ago
  Do you not believe the video evidence or do you just dismiss it because CNN or Fox didn't give it their stamp of approval to qualify it as "news"?
  - dekhn 4y ago
    I do believe that's a video from a twitter engineer. What I don't do is conclude anything about what actually happens inside twitter based on that video. It's not evidence of anything, it's a person saying a thing, which may correlate with the actual truth, but when it's presented by groups that have well-known biases, it's easier to see it as propaganda, not "news".
  - rvz 4y ago
    There you go. You even have some news sites that also covered the leak of the Twitter all hands video that directly cited PV. I'm sure there was no (and still no) denials around the credibility around that one. This one now has an engineer directly admitting the internal Twitter feud and chaos about Elon on video and in turn, deleted his accounts while an internal Twitter email was sent around mentioning PV by name again. So far ZERO refutation(s) or debunking from anyone about those videos and 1 so called 'response' from Twitter being aware of the leaks. Therefore it has been admitted.
- DLA 4y ago
  You mean like the Hunter laptop story what was later determined to be true … even by the “paper of record” New York Times?

arrakis2021 4y ago

Did you watch the video?

10amxn10 4y ago

mlindner 4y ago

Of course they were motivated, that's undeniable, but the video is the evidence.