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Genuinely happy, of course! I want to see my friends and family succeed in life and enjoy it. I don't feel like a lesser person in any way, I feel proud of them

Genuinely happy, of course! I want to see my friends and family succeed in life and enjoy it. I don't feel like a lesser person in any way, I feel proud of them.

amelius 4y ago
What kind of therapy is recommended to get into this state of being?
- orzig 4y ago
  Take it or leave it, Metta meditation is pretty squarely aimed at that. I’ve had only the tiniest bits of success, but trying a book/video/app is a ton cheaper+easier than therapy!
- tappio 4y ago
  Sorry, it's only available for 0.0001% of population and unfortunately you are not one of the lucky ones. Fortunately, empathy and epistemological pluralism can make your life bearable.
sanitycheck 4y ago
I'd feel exactly the same way as you about that, and if we truly are in a tiny minority perhaps that does explain a lot about the world.
johnnymorgan 4y ago
You've never felt Envy towards someone? I kind of find that hard to believe. that was all OP was referring too and it's well documented. Honestly you come off as dishonest in this convo as it's quiet a normal emotion to feel and it's not negative per say, it can lead to negative actions but can also push people to do better. "It doesn't matter if the slight is real or not, its the perception of the person that matters" -- Jimmy Hoffa
- laputan_machine 4y ago
  I've never felt envy towards my friends and family. No, never. I find it bizarre that you do. I never said I don't feel envy. You jumped to conclusions based on a very little sentence I wrote. I currently have a very severe skin condition, and I live in a country with 'free' healthcare. I am envious that some people get medical treatment for it and can live a normal life again and some people do not (such as myself). I don't give a shit if you think I'm dishonest, you do not know me.
  - sdevonoes 4y ago
    > I find it bizarre that you do. Why? Feeling envious is just human nature. Sure, one can argue that in our current society that kind of feeling is "bad", and we should "fix it". I tend to agree, but that you find it bizarre, it's bizarre to me :D Oh well, maybe you are a machine (based on your nickname), so yeah, machines do not have imperfections (just kidding).
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      > Feeling envious is just human nature. Or maybe it's not and that's just something you tell yourself to feel better about being an asshole.
      - clausewitz 4y ago
        Uhh, no. Envy, like every other human emotion, is just that. One part of the vast spectrum of how we perceive the world and its inhabitants.
      - malauxyeux 4y ago
        Does feeling envy make someone an asshole in your eyes? Do you believe that people who feel envy can choose to not feel it? If they can't choose not to feel it, are they doomed to be an asshole (by your definition) for the rest of their lives, barring some change outside of their control? To me, simply feeling envy (or any negative emotion) doesn't really say anything about the person. Actively stoking negative emotions or acting on them moves the needle in the direction of asshole, though.
sean_the_geek 4y ago
If you feel truly happy about someone else but at the same time not let it reflect on you, then I would say you are minority. The first part of my sentence is achievable and is genuinely positive , at least in a way. The second part - not letting it reflect on you - is IMO most people struggle.
dwringer 4y ago
Superbia versus invidia, I suppose.

Genuinely happy, of course! I want to see my friends and family succeed in life and enjoy it. I don't feel like a lesser person in any way, I feel proud of them.

amelius 4y ago

What kind of therapy is recommended to get into this state of being?

orzig 4y ago
Take it or leave it, Metta meditation is pretty squarely aimed at that. I’ve had only the tiniest bits of success, but trying a book/video/app is a ton cheaper+easier than therapy!
tappio 4y ago
Sorry, it's only available for 0.0001% of population and unfortunately you are not one of the lucky ones. Fortunately, empathy and epistemological pluralism can make your life bearable.

sanitycheck 4y ago

I'd feel exactly the same way as you about that, and if we truly are in a tiny minority perhaps that does explain a lot about the world.

johnnymorgan 4y ago

You've never felt Envy towards someone? I kind of find that hard to believe. that was all OP was referring too and it's well documented. Honestly you come off as dishonest in this convo as it's quiet a normal emotion to feel and it's not negative per say, it can lead to negative actions but can also push people to do better. "It doesn't matter if the slight is real or not, its the perception of the person that matters" -- Jimmy Hoffa

laputan_machine 4y ago
I've never felt envy towards my friends and family. No, never. I find it bizarre that you do. I never said I don't feel envy. You jumped to conclusions based on a very little sentence I wrote. I currently have a very severe skin condition, and I live in a country with 'free' healthcare. I am envious that some people get medical treatment for it and can live a normal life again and some people do not (such as myself). I don't give a shit if you think I'm dishonest, you do not know me.
- sdevonoes 4y ago
  > I find it bizarre that you do. Why? Feeling envious is just human nature. Sure, one can argue that in our current society that kind of feeling is "bad", and we should "fix it". I tend to agree, but that you find it bizarre, it's bizarre to me :D Oh well, maybe you are a machine (based on your nickname), so yeah, machines do not have imperfections (just kidding).
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    > Feeling envious is just human nature. Or maybe it's not and that's just something you tell yourself to feel better about being an asshole.
    - clausewitz 4y ago
      Uhh, no. Envy, like every other human emotion, is just that. One part of the vast spectrum of how we perceive the world and its inhabitants.
    - malauxyeux 4y ago
      Does feeling envy make someone an asshole in your eyes? Do you believe that people who feel envy can choose to not feel it? If they can't choose not to feel it, are they doomed to be an asshole (by your definition) for the rest of their lives, barring some change outside of their control? To me, simply feeling envy (or any negative emotion) doesn't really say anything about the person. Actively stoking negative emotions or acting on them moves the needle in the direction of asshole, though.

sean_the_geek 4y ago

If you feel truly happy about someone else but at the same time not let it reflect on you, then I would say you are minority. The first part of my sentence is achievable and is genuinely positive , at least in a way. The second part - not letting it reflect on you - is IMO most people struggle.

dwringer 4y ago

Superbia versus invidia, I suppose.