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COVID is airborne, so lockdowns in a dense city do not work. Cleaning surfaces doesn't do anything, those plastic dividers also don't do anything. The regular

by ars 4y ago

COVID is airborne, so lockdowns in a dense city do not work. Cleaning surfaces doesn't do anything, those plastic dividers also don't do anything. The regular masks barely do anything. The N95 masks only work until people take them off and they eventually have to. Vaccines only work for a short time, but they do reduce deaths because the eventual infection is not as severe. Basically not a single thing that we did actually helped. It just made people feel better by giving them a sense of control. The only thing that worked, in a sense, is allowing COVID to infect people and giving them natural immunity. I say in a sense because there were deaths by following that process.

somewhereoutth 4y ago
Lockdowns have been very effective each time they have been enforced. Shanghai the latest example. Things go wrong when they are prematurely lifted. People only have to take their masks off to eat/drink. Do that outside, or within your own home. Vaccines have been extraordinarily successful in reducing sickness and death, and indeed transmission. However, alone they are not enough to quell Covid. Disease acquired immunity has in fact not worked, even combined with vaccination, as Covid has evolved to evade immunity and reinfections are common.
- nradov 4y ago
  Nonsense. The virus is here to stay. Regular people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives wearing masks. Disease acquired immunity works very well for most patients. You are spreading irresponsible misinformation. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/
  - somewhereoutth 4y ago
    "Regular People" might find they have to do things they previously wouldn't - like wearing seatbelts. Reinfection is now understood to be common - after all, Omicron is spreading rapidly though a population that is not only vaccinated, but also largely already had Covid. Be aware, almost nobody stands to gain from making Covid seem worse than it is, but many many powerful people stand to lose from public health interventions to prevent Covid, so gain from downplaying the problem. I wonder which Peter Attia is? "As his residency drew to a close, Attia joined the consulting firm McKinsey & Company in the Palo Alto office as a member of the Corporate Risk Practice and Healthcare Practice."
    - nradov 4y ago
      Reinfection is not a serious concern. While patients can get reinfected, symptoms are typically mild. Did you even listen to the podcast I linked? It contains a panel discussion with several noted experts that Dr. Attia brought in to explain the real situation. Regular people aren't going to wear masks regardless of what the alarmists say.
      - somewhereoutth 4y ago
        > symptoms are typically mild Has that been definitively shown? It was not so long ago that re-infection was thought to be very rare. I don't think our understanding of the effects of repeat infections is very good yet - not least because we are at the beginning of this (reinfection was much rarer before Omicron). But Regular People ended up wearing seatbelts? If mask mandates come back, then yes they will wear them too.

by ars 4y ago

somewhereoutth 4y ago

Lockdowns have been very effective each time they have been enforced. Shanghai the latest example. Things go wrong when they are prematurely lifted. People only have to take their masks off to eat/drink. Do that outside, or within your own home. Vaccines have been extraordinarily successful in reducing sickness and death, and indeed transmission. However, alone they are not enough to quell Covid. Disease acquired immunity has in fact not worked, even combined with vaccination, as Covid has evolved to evade immunity and reinfections are common.

nradov 4y ago
Nonsense. The virus is here to stay. Regular people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives wearing masks. Disease acquired immunity works very well for most patients. You are spreading irresponsible misinformation. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/
- somewhereoutth 4y ago
  "Regular People" might find they have to do things they previously wouldn't - like wearing seatbelts. Reinfection is now understood to be common - after all, Omicron is spreading rapidly though a population that is not only vaccinated, but also largely already had Covid. Be aware, almost nobody stands to gain from making Covid seem worse than it is, but many many powerful people stand to lose from public health interventions to prevent Covid, so gain from downplaying the problem. I wonder which Peter Attia is? "As his residency drew to a close, Attia joined the consulting firm McKinsey & Company in the Palo Alto office as a member of the Corporate Risk Practice and Healthcare Practice."
  - nradov 4y ago
    Reinfection is not a serious concern. While patients can get reinfected, symptoms are typically mild. Did you even listen to the podcast I linked? It contains a panel discussion with several noted experts that Dr. Attia brought in to explain the real situation. Regular people aren't going to wear masks regardless of what the alarmists say.
    - somewhereoutth 4y ago
      > symptoms are typically mild Has that been definitively shown? It was not so long ago that re-infection was thought to be very rare. I don't think our understanding of the effects of repeat infections is very good yet - not least because we are at the beginning of this (reinfection was much rarer before Omicron). But Regular People ended up wearing seatbelts? If mask mandates come back, then yes they will wear them too.