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very unlikely to be ethical no matter what un-enforceable limits you put on the testers. their concern is legal liability and nothing more.

joezydeco 4y ago
I don't own a Tesla but I share the road with them, which makes me an involuntary part of their beta test. It's hard to give a shit about liability if one runs head-on into you and kills you. None of this is ethical. At all.
- lp0_on_fire 4y ago
  Excuse me but Tesla makes drivers pinky swear that they will pay attention 100% of the time and be ready to take over driving at the drop of a hat. Obviously you're just a luddite. /s
- staunch 4y ago
  It may be ethical if it really does lead to saving many lives by advancing the state of the art more quickly than it otherwise would have. And given how many people are drunk while intoxicated or using smartphones, it seems like a relatively negligible increase in danger. The math might be something like: police departments could increase enforcement of DUI and reckless driving laws by 1% and compensate for the total increase of danger caused by Tesla's FSD testing.
  - joezydeco 4y ago
    It may be ethical if it really does lead to saving many lives by advancing the state of the art more quickly than it otherwise would have. And if we kill a few hundred or thousand innocent passengers and/or pedestrians along the way, that's an acceptable sacrifice to perfect Musk's software? Holy fucking shit.
    - staunch 4y ago
      > And if we kill a few hundred or thousand innocent passengers and/or pedestrians along the way... So you're just going to make up numbers to be outraged at? As far as I know, no innocent passengers or pedestrians have been killed as a result of FSD. I imagine it would be big news as the (relatively few) Autopilot accident have been. It should be common sense to assume that FSD would be halted by Tesla themselves, or at least a government agency, if there were huge numbers of people dying. We only have safe and cheap air travel and safe cars today because many thousands of people died beta testing them. This is basic history that everyone should know. When it comes to high speed transportation, there's simply no way to avoid significant risk while making significant progress. The best we can do is make intelligent trade offs, which is my entire point.
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joezydeco 4y ago

I don't own a Tesla but I share the road with them, which makes me an involuntary part of their beta test. It's hard to give a shit about liability if one runs head-on into you and kills you. None of this is ethical. At all.

lp0_on_fire 4y ago
Excuse me but Tesla makes drivers pinky swear that they will pay attention 100% of the time and be ready to take over driving at the drop of a hat. Obviously you're just a luddite. /s
staunch 4y ago
It may be ethical if it really does lead to saving many lives by advancing the state of the art more quickly than it otherwise would have. And given how many people are drunk while intoxicated or using smartphones, it seems like a relatively negligible increase in danger. The math might be something like: police departments could increase enforcement of DUI and reckless driving laws by 1% and compensate for the total increase of danger caused by Tesla's FSD testing.
- joezydeco 4y ago
  It may be ethical if it really does lead to saving many lives by advancing the state of the art more quickly than it otherwise would have. And if we kill a few hundred or thousand innocent passengers and/or pedestrians along the way, that's an acceptable sacrifice to perfect Musk's software? Holy fucking shit.
  - staunch 4y ago
    > And if we kill a few hundred or thousand innocent passengers and/or pedestrians along the way... So you're just going to make up numbers to be outraged at? As far as I know, no innocent passengers or pedestrians have been killed as a result of FSD. I imagine it would be big news as the (relatively few) Autopilot accident have been. It should be common sense to assume that FSD would be halted by Tesla themselves, or at least a government agency, if there were huge numbers of people dying. We only have safe and cheap air travel and safe cars today because many thousands of people died beta testing them. This is basic history that everyone should know. When it comes to high speed transportation, there's simply no way to avoid significant risk while making significant progress. The best we can do is make intelligent trade offs, which is my entire point.
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