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For a globally recognizable brand like McDonald's, the move to leave the country has a symbolic meaning. It sends a message to the Russian people that something

For a globally recognizable brand like McDonald's, the move to leave the country has a symbolic meaning. It sends a message to the Russian people that something is deeply wrong with the direction taken by their government. Of course, some Russians will interpret the move differently, but that cannot be avoided.

ushakov 4y ago
> Of course, some Russians will interpret the move differently Russian propaganda will say something like: “McDonalds, evil American company, left our people without jobs and betrayed our trust” most people would believe this the blame will be shifted from Russian Government to “evil American corporation”
- jquery 4y ago
  Sure, but not everyone is convinced by the propaganda. Some people are just plain mad they don’t have something they used to have. We’ve tried appeasing a mad expansionist dictator in the past, didn’t go so well. This is especially keen with apple products.
  - ushakov 4y ago
    Apple products can be brought from overseas with McDonalds they would just make a clone which uses same formulas and suppliers
    - adventured 4y ago
      It's about removing sanction: denying the Russians - particularly the urban Russians - their veneer of civilization, affluence, westernization. The notion that they had accomplished something material positive in regards to moving forward in the world among nations after the Soviet collapse. Sure they can clone brands, and sometimes they can clone products and services, you can also go to Walmart and buy Great Value brand products that are 85% as good as the brand goods. Most people still don't want to do that if they can afford not to. People buy brands primarily (not exclusively) for social reasons of status, not because they're vastly superior to all alternatives (off brands, generics, house brands, etc). They don't need that Chanel or Louis Vuitton bag, or iPhone, they want it to show off. Removing sanction is about the West no longer pretending Russia is a civilized nation, no longer pretending their culture is a civilized one (rather than a barbarous relic of the conquest-obsessed primitive past of the European great powers conflicts).
      - thriftwy 4y ago
        I think you're taking your words fairly serious, whereas they would cause a lot of good laughs outside of the bubble of "the West". For starters, why do you think that Russia would care whether you are currently pretending anything about Russia.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - ogurechny 4y ago
        The scale of these delusions can only match the scale of Putin's delusions. How detached from real life should one be to reason about people as though they were homo economicus, pathetic humanoid consumers? Linking “brands” to “civilization” is just a widespread publicist cliche that is only observed in various “analysis” in media. When you look at what people actually did, there is no trace of such feeling. Those who were critical of the state politics reacted to the news with “things are looking turbulent, better buy some buckwheat just in case”. Those who were supportive of the state politics reacted to the news with “things are looking turbulent, better buy some buckwheat just in case”. See, no one seriously cared about McDonalds® burgers or Apple® devices, but that didn't affect “economical prognoses” in the slightest. I can make my own: not even in most glorious America there is enough people to start an uprising over McDonalds being unavailable. What's more important, outside of lucky industries like IT, not many people can even afford to care about brands. Those who make a lot usually work in export or budget spending (or “spending”) sectors, and they are the ones who perfectly understand that their wealth depends first and foremost on supporting any decision that comes from above, not following some capitalist dreams (even though this is a typical corporate manager situation). Those who make a lot more than a lot, and used to buy castles, villas, yachts, and so on in Europe and elsewhere, had zero problems with that for decades, despite the common knowledge that almost none of them had made those kind of money independently, and with hard work. One might even theorise that shooting down Boeing full of Europeans (as opposed to lesser people across the world routinely dying on TV screens) was Putin's particularly devilish plan of forcing his daughter to stop enjoying life abroad and move back home. Such are customs in modern “high society” of “successful people”. Have anyone noticed that when US arrested Abramovich's mansion, he seemed to get irritated, and made some un-business-like comments along the lines of “I'm no different from other people buying those, what's your fucking problem?” Might be the rare occasion of him telling some truth. There has been a very nice rebuttal back in March. I am grateful to English translators because now I don't have to state all of that myself: https://www.getrevue.co/profile/belkitz/issues/weekly-newsletter-of-issue-2-1090373 https://www.getrevue.co/profile/belkitz/issues/weekly-newsle...
- FpUser 4y ago
  >“McDonalds, evil American company, left our people without jobs and betrayed our trust” You got me curious and I decided to check. They actually carried out reasons stated by McDnalds and respected the fact that through the whole process company has behaved responsibly towards employees and seeks their future employment as a condition for perspective buyers. I saw no signs of propaganda in the article. https://lenta.ru/news/2022/05/16/mcdonalds/ https://lenta.ru/news/2022/05/16/mcdonalds/
- deleted 4y ago
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alaricus 4y ago
- eimrine 4y ago
  "Harmfullness" of MacDo is a common meme but in fact there is hard to find anything harmful there except of cola.
  - reedjosh 4y ago
    And Vegetable Oil, and pseudo estrogens in plastics, and Bliss point foods, and...
    - eimrine 4y ago
      > Vegetable Oil Absolutely common item on every kitchen > pseudo estrogens in plastics This is 2022, we have to pack our food with some plastic. > Bliss point foods It litery means that your food needs to be yummy.
      - reedjosh 4y ago
        Ooh, oooh... now do nearly hostile homogenization of culture.
      - vetinari 4y ago
        > This is 2022, we have to pack our food with some plastic. We don't; cardboard packaging for food is pretty common nowadays.
        postalrat 4y ago
        What are they using to bind the paper in that cardboard?
        vetinari 4y ago
        Starch-based adhesives. But there are plastic packages still. Sauces for example will come in small plastic cups.
cbozeman 4y ago
I don't think this is the reasoning at all. I think trying to conduct transactions in a heavily sanctioned nation that's also fighting a war of aggression against a neighbor, and incurring heavy losses, is causing a headache for the bean counters, and it has finally become more trouble than it's worth, financially. These enormous multinational behemoths - as an entity - don't give two shits about the people dying in Ukraine, Russian soldiers dying, or the Russian people enduring hardships. They care about profit. It's no different than the stance on civil rights, or LGBQT+, or any other issue. If you look historically, these companies only bother to "do the right thing" once it has the potential of threatening profits. It may sound cynical, but the historical record is pretty solid.
- jquery 4y ago
  All international conglomerates are amoral. Some are more amoral than others.
  - m000 4y ago
    Any big organization is amoral. This includes countries.
- adventured 4y ago
  The parent did not say that was the reason, they said McDonald's leaving has symbolic meaning - which it absolutely does in a huge way. > These enormous multinational behemoths - as an entity - don't give two shits about the people dying in Ukraine, Russian soldiers dying, or the Russian people enduring hardships. They care about profit. Of course they do care about the context, very obviously, precisely because it can affect their profits. Which is why so many companies rapidly bandied together and left Russia, even when they legally didn't have to. The stigma of being associated with Russia is brand damaging, which is ultimately profit damaging (and Russia isn't worth enough as a market for most corporate giants to warrant taking that brand hit). That's the clear corporate equation.
  - chongli 4y ago
    Thank you. Far too often people will jump in and cry "all corporations only care about profits!" which is about as interesting a statement as "all programming languages are Turing-equivalent".

ushakov 4y ago

> Of course, some Russians will interpret the move differently Russian propaganda will say something like: “McDonalds, evil American company, left our people without jobs and betrayed our trust” most people would believe this the blame will be shifted from Russian Government to “evil American corporation”

jquery 4y ago
Sure, but not everyone is convinced by the propaganda. Some people are just plain mad they don’t have something they used to have. We’ve tried appeasing a mad expansionist dictator in the past, didn’t go so well. This is especially keen with apple products.
- ushakov 4y ago
  Apple products can be brought from overseas with McDonalds they would just make a clone which uses same formulas and suppliers
  - adventured 4y ago
    It's about removing sanction: denying the Russians - particularly the urban Russians - their veneer of civilization, affluence, westernization. The notion that they had accomplished something material positive in regards to moving forward in the world among nations after the Soviet collapse. Sure they can clone brands, and sometimes they can clone products and services, you can also go to Walmart and buy Great Value brand products that are 85% as good as the brand goods. Most people still don't want to do that if they can afford not to. People buy brands primarily (not exclusively) for social reasons of status, not because they're vastly superior to all alternatives (off brands, generics, house brands, etc). They don't need that Chanel or Louis Vuitton bag, or iPhone, they want it to show off. Removing sanction is about the West no longer pretending Russia is a civilized nation, no longer pretending their culture is a civilized one (rather than a barbarous relic of the conquest-obsessed primitive past of the European great powers conflicts).
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      I think you're taking your words fairly serious, whereas they would cause a lot of good laughs outside of the bubble of "the West". For starters, why do you think that Russia would care whether you are currently pretending anything about Russia.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - ogurechny 4y ago
      The scale of these delusions can only match the scale of Putin's delusions. How detached from real life should one be to reason about people as though they were homo economicus, pathetic humanoid consumers? Linking “brands” to “civilization” is just a widespread publicist cliche that is only observed in various “analysis” in media. When you look at what people actually did, there is no trace of such feeling. Those who were critical of the state politics reacted to the news with “things are looking turbulent, better buy some buckwheat just in case”. Those who were supportive of the state politics reacted to the news with “things are looking turbulent, better buy some buckwheat just in case”. See, no one seriously cared about McDonalds® burgers or Apple® devices, but that didn't affect “economical prognoses” in the slightest. I can make my own: not even in most glorious America there is enough people to start an uprising over McDonalds being unavailable. What's more important, outside of lucky industries like IT, not many people can even afford to care about brands. Those who make a lot usually work in export or budget spending (or “spending”) sectors, and they are the ones who perfectly understand that their wealth depends first and foremost on supporting any decision that comes from above, not following some capitalist dreams (even though this is a typical corporate manager situation). Those who make a lot more than a lot, and used to buy castles, villas, yachts, and so on in Europe and elsewhere, had zero problems with that for decades, despite the common knowledge that almost none of them had made those kind of money independently, and with hard work. One might even theorise that shooting down Boeing full of Europeans (as opposed to lesser people across the world routinely dying on TV screens) was Putin's particularly devilish plan of forcing his daughter to stop enjoying life abroad and move back home. Such are customs in modern “high society” of “successful people”. Have anyone noticed that when US arrested Abramovich's mansion, he seemed to get irritated, and made some un-business-like comments along the lines of “I'm no different from other people buying those, what's your fucking problem?” Might be the rare occasion of him telling some truth. There has been a very nice rebuttal back in March. I am grateful to English translators because now I don't have to state all of that myself: https://www.getrevue.co/profile/belkitz/issues/weekly-newsletter-of-issue-2-1090373 https://www.getrevue.co/profile/belkitz/issues/weekly-newsle...
FpUser 4y ago
>“McDonalds, evil American company, left our people without jobs and betrayed our trust” You got me curious and I decided to check. They actually carried out reasons stated by McDnalds and respected the fact that through the whole process company has behaved responsibly towards employees and seeks their future employment as a condition for perspective buyers. I saw no signs of propaganda in the article. https://lenta.ru/news/2022/05/16/mcdonalds/ https://lenta.ru/news/2022/05/16/mcdonalds/
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alaricus 4y ago

eimrine 4y ago
"Harmfullness" of MacDo is a common meme but in fact there is hard to find anything harmful there except of cola.
- reedjosh 4y ago
  And Vegetable Oil, and pseudo estrogens in plastics, and Bliss point foods, and...
  - eimrine 4y ago
    > Vegetable Oil Absolutely common item on every kitchen > pseudo estrogens in plastics This is 2022, we have to pack our food with some plastic. > Bliss point foods It litery means that your food needs to be yummy.
    - reedjosh 4y ago
      Ooh, oooh... now do nearly hostile homogenization of culture.
    - vetinari 4y ago
      > This is 2022, we have to pack our food with some plastic. We don't; cardboard packaging for food is pretty common nowadays.
      - postalrat 4y ago
        What are they using to bind the paper in that cardboard?
        vetinari 4y ago
        Starch-based adhesives. But there are plastic packages still. Sauces for example will come in small plastic cups.

cbozeman 4y ago

I don't think this is the reasoning at all. I think trying to conduct transactions in a heavily sanctioned nation that's also fighting a war of aggression against a neighbor, and incurring heavy losses, is causing a headache for the bean counters, and it has finally become more trouble than it's worth, financially. These enormous multinational behemoths - as an entity - don't give two shits about the people dying in Ukraine, Russian soldiers dying, or the Russian people enduring hardships. They care about profit. It's no different than the stance on civil rights, or LGBQT+, or any other issue. If you look historically, these companies only bother to "do the right thing" once it has the potential of threatening profits. It may sound cynical, but the historical record is pretty solid.

jquery 4y ago
All international conglomerates are amoral. Some are more amoral than others.
- m000 4y ago
  Any big organization is amoral. This includes countries.
adventured 4y ago
The parent did not say that was the reason, they said McDonald's leaving has symbolic meaning - which it absolutely does in a huge way. > These enormous multinational behemoths - as an entity - don't give two shits about the people dying in Ukraine, Russian soldiers dying, or the Russian people enduring hardships. They care about profit. Of course they do care about the context, very obviously, precisely because it can affect their profits. Which is why so many companies rapidly bandied together and left Russia, even when they legally didn't have to. The stigma of being associated with Russia is brand damaging, which is ultimately profit damaging (and Russia isn't worth enough as a market for most corporate giants to warrant taking that brand hit). That's the clear corporate equation.
- chongli 4y ago
  Thank you. Far too often people will jump in and cry "all corporations only care about profits!" which is about as interesting a statement as "all programming languages are Turing-equivalent".