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ICANN is finalizing a policy that will govern this question. In short, if adopted, 5-10 years after the country is removed from the ISO 3166-1 standard it will

by kijeda 4y ago

ICANN is finalizing a policy that will govern this question. In short, if adopted, 5-10 years after the country is removed from the ISO 3166-1 standard it will be removed as a TLD. https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/ccnso-proposed-policy-on-the-retirement-of-cctlds-22-11-2021-en https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/ccnso-propose...

donmcronald 4y ago
> There is a good faith obligation to ensure an orderly shutdown of the retiring ccTLD which takes into consideration the interests of its registrants and the stability and security of the DNS. > The Manager of the ccTLD should be notified (Notice of Removal) that the ccTLD shall be removed from the Root Zone five years from the date of the notice. ICANN’s lack of perspective is stunning. If I own a domain on any TLD my interest as a registrant is having that TLD around forever. I’m one of the few that thinks the new TLDs are an amazing opportunity for people to build brands and identities. I’m also never going to rely on anything but .com because I don’t trust ICANN. ICANN is one of the most important institutions around, so it’s sad to see them working so hard for themselves and the registries while making registrars and registrants a secondary consideration (IMO).
- hypertele-Xii 4y ago
  Do you trust your country to continue existing? I do.
  - post-it 4y ago
    Yeah, if .ca disappears it means I probably have a bigger problem.
    - donmcronald 4y ago
      I think .ca is one of the safer TLDs if you’re Canadian.
  - zarzavat 4y ago
    ccTLDs tend to be subject to much more baroque terms. For example, restrictions on citizenship, residency, or "genuine connection", restrictions on content and speech and other legal requirements. For example when UK left the EU then all UK registrants of .eu domains were made to relinquish them. No grandfathering. This kind of nonsense doesn't occur on .com
    - stkdump 4y ago
      .eu is not a ccTLD, because the European Union is not a country.
      - techsupporter 4y ago
        Yes, .eu is a ccTLD. "EU" appears in ISO 3166-1, a list of codes for countries and other geographical purposes, under the Exceptional Reservations category. TLDs in use on the basis of an entry on ISO 3166-1 are known as "country code top-level domains," even if the use of the word country is ambiguous or administratively incorrect. For example, no one (well, perhaps we should say few) would argue that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is not a country, yet it operates ccTLD .uk which is not a country code assigned to a sovereign entity. GB is the country code for that country; UK is an exceptional reservation.
    - arinlen 4y ago
      > For example when UK left the EU then all UK registrants of .eu domains were made to relinquish them. No grandfathering. This kind of nonsense doesn't occur on .com Do you happen to have a source that supports that claim? I've registered .eu domains in the past and I never had to even offer any proof of citizenship or residency or anything of the sort. I searched for the domains, clicked on "buy", and that was that.
      - trotFunky 4y ago
        The parent is correct, in theory .eu requires residency or citizenship in order to register a domain[1]. After Brexit holders of .eu domains that did not meet the criteria lost their domains[2]. And the .eu is not the most restrictive ! I am a French citizen but live outside the EU, so I can't get a .fr domain (at least, again, in theory - haven't tried in practice) but I could get a .eu one. [1]: https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/rules-for-eu-domains/ https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/rules-for-eu-domain... [2]: https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/ https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/
  - barry-cotter 4y ago
    Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, USSR have all disappeared in my lifetime. Austria disappeared briefly in my grandparents’ lifetime. Somaliland’s legal existence was extinguished in ~1966 and the international community is not letting its practical existence get in the way of refusing to recognize it. Wars of conquest, civil wars, dissolution and change happen.
  - grapeskin 4y ago
    A country can simply change its name without major conflict. The people still exist. Law and order never breaks down. But it becomes a "new" country. That could result in existing TLDs going away. One possible example would be Scotland voting to peacefully leave the UK. It's very possible the UK would change its name after that, since it's not really the union of those two kingdoms anymore.
    - aix1 4y ago
      > One possible example would be Scotland voting to peacefully leave the UK. It's very possible the UK would change its name after that, since it's not really the union of those two kingdoms anymore. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Scotland is part of the former bit (Great Britain) alongside England and Wales.
      - gbear605 4y ago
        Theoretically Northern Ireland could join the Republic of Ireland and Wales and Scotland could both go independent, and then it’s definitely not a United Kingdom. What happens to the millions (?) of .co.uk websites?
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      - Symbiote 4y ago
        It's a union of three kingdoms, or 2-and-a-bit kingdoms: England and Wales (927) + Scotland (1707) + Ireland (1802) - most of Ireland (1922), leaving only Northern Ireland The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would probably change its name if Scotland seceded, but perhaps to the United Kingdom of England and Wales and Northern Ireland. The official ISO code (GB) would change (EI? EW?) but the reserved code (UK) need not.
    - MaxBarraclough 4y ago
      Interestingly Eswatini (formerly Swaziland) still uses the .sz TLD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini
  - corobo 4y ago
    The country yes, the TLD not as much For example .uk - If one day we decide to ditch the monarchy and become a republic I imagine this might change back to .gb Everything would probably be grandfathered in of course being a reasonably populated TLD, and .gb would probably be wayyy less popular because it kinda sucks as a character combo, but it's a possibility.
- wallacoloo 4y ago
  > I’m also never going to rely on anything but .com because I don’t trust ICANN. what's wrong with the other 2 of the "original 3" gLTDs: .net and .org? i spent an afternoon digging into the ownership of all of this stuff, and .org felt like the safest option. .com and .net are more directly owned/operated by a US for-profit company (Verisign) who has complied with US requests to seize .com domains in the past. .org at least still has structural ties to a non-profit with chapters across the globe, even if it's incorporated in the US.
  - bruce511 4y ago
    Not to be over picky, but from my first memories of the Internet at uni (1990) there were 5 tlds, in addion to the ones you mentioned were ac (academic) and gov. Both are not open to the general public though so your point stands.
    - kergonath 4y ago
      > in addion to the ones you mentioned were ac (academic) and gov Wasn’t it .edu for education? .ac is the ccTLD of the Ascension Island. .mil was there from the beginning IIRC. And .int came not much later.
      - hcs 4y ago
        Maybe thinking of ac.uk and such? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ac_(second-level_domain) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ac_(second-level_domain)
      - deleted 4y ago
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    - Symbiote 4y ago
      You can easily look this up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_top-level_domain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_top-level_domain
  - kadoban 4y ago
    .org almost got bought by scummy rent-seeking bastards as of like a year or two ago. Wouldn't consider it that safe, personally.
- smegger001 4y ago
  I would say com net and org but beyond that nope dont trust it for the most part. ICANN will fuck it up in a short sided ill advised money grab eventually
- suifbwish 4y ago
  Something like this could fork the internet dns into multiple versions
  - shric 4y ago
    There have been plenty of attempts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root
29athrowaway 4y ago
What will happen to .su? (Soviet union)
- 88840-8855 4y ago
  It all depends on the war. If Russia can defeat the NATO then .su might be useful again.. ;)
  - 29athrowaway 4y ago
    Russia can't defeat NATO.
    - 29athrowaway 4y ago
      More specifically, the Avangard hypersonic missile system may be just another exaggeration from the Putin regime. It is not known how reliable or precise it is, or if it actually works.
- dotancohen 4y ago
  Are there any active .su domains?
  - 29athrowaway 4y ago
    Yes. And there is a growing number each year.
elp 4y ago
Finalizing and actually finalized are very different things in ICANN land. If they ever do try to implement this policy its likely to end up in court for years. I can't see Afilias just rolling over when .io (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory) ends up needing to be removed.

by kijeda 4y ago

donmcronald 4y ago

> There is a good faith obligation to ensure an orderly shutdown of the retiring ccTLD which takes into consideration the interests of its registrants and the stability and security of the DNS. > The Manager of the ccTLD should be notified (Notice of Removal) that the ccTLD shall be removed from the Root Zone five years from the date of the notice. ICANN’s lack of perspective is stunning. If I own a domain on any TLD my interest as a registrant is having that TLD around forever. I’m one of the few that thinks the new TLDs are an amazing opportunity for people to build brands and identities. I’m also never going to rely on anything but .com because I don’t trust ICANN. ICANN is one of the most important institutions around, so it’s sad to see them working so hard for themselves and the registries while making registrars and registrants a secondary consideration (IMO).

hypertele-Xii 4y ago
Do you trust your country to continue existing? I do.
- post-it 4y ago
  Yeah, if .ca disappears it means I probably have a bigger problem.
  - donmcronald 4y ago
    I think .ca is one of the safer TLDs if you’re Canadian.
- zarzavat 4y ago
  ccTLDs tend to be subject to much more baroque terms. For example, restrictions on citizenship, residency, or "genuine connection", restrictions on content and speech and other legal requirements. For example when UK left the EU then all UK registrants of .eu domains were made to relinquish them. No grandfathering. This kind of nonsense doesn't occur on .com
  - stkdump 4y ago
    .eu is not a ccTLD, because the European Union is not a country.
    - techsupporter 4y ago
      Yes, .eu is a ccTLD. "EU" appears in ISO 3166-1, a list of codes for countries and other geographical purposes, under the Exceptional Reservations category. TLDs in use on the basis of an entry on ISO 3166-1 are known as "country code top-level domains," even if the use of the word country is ambiguous or administratively incorrect. For example, no one (well, perhaps we should say few) would argue that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is not a country, yet it operates ccTLD .uk which is not a country code assigned to a sovereign entity. GB is the country code for that country; UK is an exceptional reservation.
  - arinlen 4y ago
    > For example when UK left the EU then all UK registrants of .eu domains were made to relinquish them. No grandfathering. This kind of nonsense doesn't occur on .com Do you happen to have a source that supports that claim? I've registered .eu domains in the past and I never had to even offer any proof of citizenship or residency or anything of the sort. I searched for the domains, clicked on "buy", and that was that.
    - trotFunky 4y ago
      The parent is correct, in theory .eu requires residency or citizenship in order to register a domain[1]. After Brexit holders of .eu domains that did not meet the criteria lost their domains[2]. And the .eu is not the most restrictive ! I am a French citizen but live outside the EU, so I can't get a .fr domain (at least, again, in theory - haven't tried in practice) but I could get a .eu one. [1]: https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/rules-for-eu-domains/ https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/rules-for-eu-domain... [2]: https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/ https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, USSR have all disappeared in my lifetime. Austria disappeared briefly in my grandparents’ lifetime. Somaliland’s legal existence was extinguished in ~1966 and the international community is not letting its practical existence get in the way of refusing to recognize it. Wars of conquest, civil wars, dissolution and change happen.
- grapeskin 4y ago
  A country can simply change its name without major conflict. The people still exist. Law and order never breaks down. But it becomes a "new" country. That could result in existing TLDs going away. One possible example would be Scotland voting to peacefully leave the UK. It's very possible the UK would change its name after that, since it's not really the union of those two kingdoms anymore.
  - aix1 4y ago
    > One possible example would be Scotland voting to peacefully leave the UK. It's very possible the UK would change its name after that, since it's not really the union of those two kingdoms anymore. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Scotland is part of the former bit (Great Britain) alongside England and Wales.
    - gbear605 4y ago
      Theoretically Northern Ireland could join the Republic of Ireland and Wales and Scotland could both go independent, and then it’s definitely not a United Kingdom. What happens to the millions (?) of .co.uk websites?
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
    - Symbiote 4y ago
      It's a union of three kingdoms, or 2-and-a-bit kingdoms: England and Wales (927) + Scotland (1707) + Ireland (1802) - most of Ireland (1922), leaving only Northern Ireland The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would probably change its name if Scotland seceded, but perhaps to the United Kingdom of England and Wales and Northern Ireland. The official ISO code (GB) would change (EI? EW?) but the reserved code (UK) need not.
  - MaxBarraclough 4y ago
    Interestingly Eswatini (formerly Swaziland) still uses the .sz TLD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini
- corobo 4y ago
  The country yes, the TLD not as much For example .uk - If one day we decide to ditch the monarchy and become a republic I imagine this might change back to .gb Everything would probably be grandfathered in of course being a reasonably populated TLD, and .gb would probably be wayyy less popular because it kinda sucks as a character combo, but it's a possibility.
wallacoloo 4y ago
> I’m also never going to rely on anything but .com because I don’t trust ICANN. what's wrong with the other 2 of the "original 3" gLTDs: .net and .org? i spent an afternoon digging into the ownership of all of this stuff, and .org felt like the safest option. .com and .net are more directly owned/operated by a US for-profit company (Verisign) who has complied with US requests to seize .com domains in the past. .org at least still has structural ties to a non-profit with chapters across the globe, even if it's incorporated in the US.
- bruce511 4y ago
  Not to be over picky, but from my first memories of the Internet at uni (1990) there were 5 tlds, in addion to the ones you mentioned were ac (academic) and gov. Both are not open to the general public though so your point stands.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    > in addion to the ones you mentioned were ac (academic) and gov Wasn’t it .edu for education? .ac is the ccTLD of the Ascension Island. .mil was there from the beginning IIRC. And .int came not much later.
    - hcs 4y ago
      Maybe thinking of ac.uk and such? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ac_(second-level_domain) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ac_(second-level_domain)
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    You can easily look this up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_top-level_domain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_top-level_domain
- kadoban 4y ago
  .org almost got bought by scummy rent-seeking bastards as of like a year or two ago. Wouldn't consider it that safe, personally.
smegger001 4y ago
I would say com net and org but beyond that nope dont trust it for the most part. ICANN will fuck it up in a short sided ill advised money grab eventually
suifbwish 4y ago
Something like this could fork the internet dns into multiple versions
- shric 4y ago
  There have been plenty of attempts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root

29athrowaway 4y ago

What will happen to .su? (Soviet union)

88840-8855 4y ago
It all depends on the war. If Russia can defeat the NATO then .su might be useful again.. ;)
- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  Russia can't defeat NATO.
  - 29athrowaway 4y ago
    More specifically, the Avangard hypersonic missile system may be just another exaggeration from the Putin regime. It is not known how reliable or precise it is, or if it actually works.
dotancohen 4y ago
Are there any active .su domains?
- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  Yes. And there is a growing number each year.

elp 4y ago

Finalizing and actually finalized are very different things in ICANN land. If they ever do try to implement this policy its likely to end up in court for years. I can't see Afilias just rolling over when .io (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory) ends up needing to be removed.