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Why not? I feel the same as the parent poster. No forced commute, no stress positions in crap office furniture and the resulting daily back pain, no forced che

Why not? I feel the same as the parent poster. No forced commute, no stress positions in crap office furniture and the resulting daily back pain, no forced cheap hardware, no forced interruptions and conversations I have to compensate with longer work hours, no forced socialization with people I’d never choose to socialize with, no crap $20 lunches paying for the insane rents of the food places instead for quality products. Please, do go back to the office yourself but don’t force others. Having 10+ hours of additional personal time per week, working on much better hardware while playing my favorite music, eating quality food I cook myself and using the extra time to socialize with people I choose is worth finding another job if needed. We just collectively proved the hypothesis that we don’t need to be in an office in order to be productive and that remote work is 20-30% more productive measuring the output of my department. We have known this for a long time but companies were in denial and pushing strawmen. But now we know. So, forcing a much more painful experience and lower quality of life despite it being less profitable is insulting and clearly not about for everyone’s well being.

novok 4y ago
Yes yes, we get it, you don't like where you work or your coworkers. Maybe that is a signal in itself you should find a place where you do enjoy it? We spend so so so much of our time at work, we should strive to make it something we enjoy.
- hibernator149 4y ago
  But the poster has found a place where they enjoy it. Why should they change that?
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- andrei_says_ 4y ago
  I am the author of the parent comment. I do like where I work and I do like my coworkers - for remote work. Please do not twist my words to match your narrative.
blincoln 4y ago
This. I started working mostly from home in 2015, and entirely from home starting in 2018. I was a little apprehensive, because I'd worked in an office from 2000-2015, and believed all of the "it will make collaborating harder" thinking. I've been sold on WFH ever since. I don't think there's anything wrong with choosing to work from an office if it makes someone happier, but it's not something I'm interested in doing again.
deepsquirrelnet 4y ago
I think the crisis here is the crumbling of traditional power structures in corporate life, which many of us are now asserting are as toxic as we knew they were. Office Space couldn’t be written about remote workers. Power tripping managers have a much more difficult time asserting themselves, and might be finding out that they’re not as important as they thought. I think the rebellion against totalitarian work life has started, and that’s apparently worrisome enough that the productivity gains from remote work aren’t worth it. The next step is realizing that the “theory of bullshit jobs” is at least partly true, and that modernization has removed the need for as many people to be working as there are. It’s actually resource limitation that prohibits our collective wealth, and not our labor.
- alaricus 4y ago
  I think WFH revealed very brutally who in an org is useless. Every large org has a lot of people who don't produce anything but still manage to get by using their good social skills. Those folks got hit hard by WFH.
- b3morales 4y ago
  Perhaps I'm just too cynical, but I have no trouble thinking that there will be an "Office Space, but for remote work" in due time. Power tripping managers aren't going to just disappear, so they will have to adapt and find new ways to trip. The details will change but the basic character of the relationship will be the same for many people. For example, we're already seeing spyware being a condition for some remote workers. Whether that continues I don't know, but it shows the point I think.
- bsder 4y ago
  > The next step is realizing that the “theory of bullshit jobs” is at least partly true, and that modernization has removed the need for as many people to be working as there are. The problem is that this cuts both ways. Is society ready for 15% more people being unemployable? It's been many decades, and we never really "solved" the issues caused by the mills/mines/factories all going under. We simply ignored the people hurt. I still see no one proposing a solution, 40 years later.
alaricus 4y ago
This, this and this again.

novok 4y ago

Yes yes, we get it, you don't like where you work or your coworkers. Maybe that is a signal in itself you should find a place where you do enjoy it? We spend so so so much of our time at work, we should strive to make it something we enjoy.

hibernator149 4y ago
But the poster has found a place where they enjoy it. Why should they change that?
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andrei_says_ 4y ago
I am the author of the parent comment. I do like where I work and I do like my coworkers - for remote work. Please do not twist my words to match your narrative.

blincoln 4y ago

This. I started working mostly from home in 2015, and entirely from home starting in 2018. I was a little apprehensive, because I'd worked in an office from 2000-2015, and believed all of the "it will make collaborating harder" thinking. I've been sold on WFH ever since. I don't think there's anything wrong with choosing to work from an office if it makes someone happier, but it's not something I'm interested in doing again.

deepsquirrelnet 4y ago

I think the crisis here is the crumbling of traditional power structures in corporate life, which many of us are now asserting are as toxic as we knew they were. Office Space couldn’t be written about remote workers. Power tripping managers have a much more difficult time asserting themselves, and might be finding out that they’re not as important as they thought. I think the rebellion against totalitarian work life has started, and that’s apparently worrisome enough that the productivity gains from remote work aren’t worth it. The next step is realizing that the “theory of bullshit jobs” is at least partly true, and that modernization has removed the need for as many people to be working as there are. It’s actually resource limitation that prohibits our collective wealth, and not our labor.

alaricus 4y ago
I think WFH revealed very brutally who in an org is useless. Every large org has a lot of people who don't produce anything but still manage to get by using their good social skills. Those folks got hit hard by WFH.
b3morales 4y ago
Perhaps I'm just too cynical, but I have no trouble thinking that there will be an "Office Space, but for remote work" in due time. Power tripping managers aren't going to just disappear, so they will have to adapt and find new ways to trip. The details will change but the basic character of the relationship will be the same for many people. For example, we're already seeing spyware being a condition for some remote workers. Whether that continues I don't know, but it shows the point I think.
bsder 4y ago
> The next step is realizing that the “theory of bullshit jobs” is at least partly true, and that modernization has removed the need for as many people to be working as there are. The problem is that this cuts both ways. Is society ready for 15% more people being unemployable? It's been many decades, and we never really "solved" the issues caused by the mills/mines/factories all going under. We simply ignored the people hurt. I still see no one proposing a solution, 40 years later.

alaricus 4y ago

This, this and this again.