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Consciousness clearly preceded life because it is apparent that life is the result of intelligent design. You just have to snap out of your naturalistic, mater
by jononomo 4y ago
Consciousness clearly preceded life because it is apparent that life is the result of intelligent design. You just have to snap out of your naturalistic, materialistic framework. For a lot of people a naturalistic starting point leads them to a naturalistic conclusion, which obviously begs the question and is merely a different kind of faith — one that can no longer withstand empirical inquiry.
- dekhn 4y agoyou're starting from a strong conclusion that has no scientific support. I can't snap out of a naturalistic, materialistic framework, because that's the only one consistent with all the observed evidence. There is no reason to continue arguing for your position, as it is not going to convince anybody.
- jononomo 4y agoIn fact I myself have been convinced by argument. You state that a naturalistic, materialistic framework is the only one consistent with all the observed evidence, but of course it is not consistent with the observed evidence regarding the existence/origin of life, which is what we’re discussing (and which is the only interesting question). I have referenced a book in my original post that spells the whole argument out.
- webmaven 4y ago> In fact I myself have been convinced by argument. If you don't mind me asking, at what age?
- jononomo 4y ago2019 is when it clicked for me -- I was 45 -- that was when I discovered the work of James Tour -- he comes off as a Jesus freak, so I don't like to recommend him, but his scientific credentials are world class and his argument regarding the origin of life is air tight. Prior to discovering James Tour I had basically bought the naturalistic story, mostly on the basis of arguments from authorities like Sam Harris, Lawrence Kraus, etc. I will admit that I was raised in a Christian household, although my parents are both scientists -- a biochemist and a hematologist. It was interesting to me to observe the upswell of awe I experienced in my own life when I became intellectually convinced that there really is a God who really did create life. Now it seems so obvious to me that I get annoyed by people who view things the way I did just a few years ago -- just blindly accepting a naive story, IMHO!