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Lol bluetooth sucks a 1000x more. The protocol stack is itself a nightmare.

jsemrau 4y ago
Bluetooth is terrible. My gripes are: 1. Re-connect from mobile to desktop takes minutes. 2. Batteries need to be charged (and are always not charged when it matters)
- Bolkan 4y ago
  Sony xm4 and xm5 have dual connectivity.
  - colordrops 4y ago
    Same with Bose. But I have two desktops and a phone, and never know which two are connected. Why limit it to two? Seems arbitrary and unnecessarily limiting.
    - faeriechangling 4y ago
      Generally multiple bluetooth signals seems to degrade the overall audio quality. The AirPods are the only product in the same class that can sort of link to more than 2 devices... but all of them need to be apple.
      - searchableguy 4y ago
        They don't support multiple Bluetooth audio connection at the same. They basically quick switch between devices in the background.
        colordrops 4y ago
        I'd be fine with that. The Bose headphones seem to be doing something similar as only one device can play audio at a time.
  - pjerem 4y ago
    Dual connectivity on the XM4 is horribly broken for me. As soon as you try to use the mic, nothing works reliably anymore : the headset randomly stays blocked on one profile on another and you invariably end up with either crappy sound for your music or no voice for your zoom call. Now I use it exclusively on my phone for music and I have another headset for voice calls on my computer. Which is a shame given how much money I had to throw to buy this thing. Still, I have to acknowledge, sound is awesome, so that’s why I keep it anyway.
    - Fnoord 4y ago
      AAC and LDAC should be good. I even use them with PipeWire. Once you switch the mic on though, you end up with a different (low quality) audio profile. It should switch back to high quality profile after but I guess it does not? Also does dual connectivity even work with LDAC? I feel like the best way is to use software to connect manually. You do have to specify the address and such, and execute the action, and you have to disable Bluetooth when you don't use it. Advantages are less tracking and interference. As for XM5 it is expensive compared to XM3 and XM4. If you want to spend that extra money there are better targets (victims of current war for example).
- kblev 4y ago
  The biggest thing that bothers me in Bluetooth is the lossy audio compression
- alephxyz 4y ago
  3. Manufacturers forcing you to install their (adware infested) mobile apps to remap or use the hardware buttons
eternityforest 4y ago
For developers, yeah, Bluetooth is like a torture device, but for consumers, it's wonderful. I take my Soundcore buds out of the case. They connect in seconds. I put them back, and put the case on a wireless charging pad. There is no interruption to any of my other Bluetooth items. I wouldn't even look at anything non-wireless. It would have been nice to have pro audio grade latency, but it's fine for music and not particularly noticable in calls.
- Nullabillity 4y ago
  As a user I don't love having the sound keep dropping out because I went too close to the train station, or because my phone was rotated slightly wrong in the pocket.
  - thenthenthen 4y ago
    I noticed when stepping out of a train BT drops for a brief moment, what causes this interference? The powerlines ?! Interference from other commuters?
    - tehbeard 4y ago
      ...where on earth are you guys that this happens? I'm commuting every day with Bluetooth headphones and never, ever had a dropout while listening to podcasts and stepping on/off trains.
- thefz 4y ago
  > For developers, yeah, Bluetooth is like a torture device, but for consumers, it's wonderful. Let me respectfully disagree. Most of the times it's a pain, from my personal experience.
- LinAGKar 4y ago
  Sure it it's good enough if you're just playing audio, but it's garbage if you need to keep the audio in sync with the video (if you can't do latency compensation), so it's useless for games. And the other major problem is that the audio quality drops down to garbage if you want to use the microphone, as it needs to switch to HSP or HFP. I find it ominous that the marketing for LE audio has completely ignored these problems, instead focusing on minor improvements like streaming directly do both buds.
theshrike79 4y ago
Bluetooth is fine, it's just the codecs that suck. As soon as you enable the microphone on a headset, the codec switches to "American cell phone circa 1990" -mode and everything sounds like shit. Airpods Max seem to circumvent this with the W1 chip though and it's a complete game changer. I can actually use noise cancelling while having the mic enabled.

Bluetooth is terrible. My gripes are: 1. Re-connect from mobile to desktop takes minutes. 2. Batteries need to be charged (and are always not charged when it matters)

Bolkan 4y ago
Sony xm4 and xm5 have dual connectivity.
- colordrops 4y ago
  Same with Bose. But I have two desktops and a phone, and never know which two are connected. Why limit it to two? Seems arbitrary and unnecessarily limiting.
  - faeriechangling 4y ago
    Generally multiple bluetooth signals seems to degrade the overall audio quality. The AirPods are the only product in the same class that can sort of link to more than 2 devices... but all of them need to be apple.
    - searchableguy 4y ago
      They don't support multiple Bluetooth audio connection at the same. They basically quick switch between devices in the background.
      - colordrops 4y ago
        I'd be fine with that. The Bose headphones seem to be doing something similar as only one device can play audio at a time.
- pjerem 4y ago
  Dual connectivity on the XM4 is horribly broken for me. As soon as you try to use the mic, nothing works reliably anymore : the headset randomly stays blocked on one profile on another and you invariably end up with either crappy sound for your music or no voice for your zoom call. Now I use it exclusively on my phone for music and I have another headset for voice calls on my computer. Which is a shame given how much money I had to throw to buy this thing. Still, I have to acknowledge, sound is awesome, so that’s why I keep it anyway.
  - Fnoord 4y ago
    AAC and LDAC should be good. I even use them with PipeWire. Once you switch the mic on though, you end up with a different (low quality) audio profile. It should switch back to high quality profile after but I guess it does not? Also does dual connectivity even work with LDAC? I feel like the best way is to use software to connect manually. You do have to specify the address and such, and execute the action, and you have to disable Bluetooth when you don't use it. Advantages are less tracking and interference. As for XM5 it is expensive compared to XM3 and XM4. If you want to spend that extra money there are better targets (victims of current war for example).
kblev 4y ago
The biggest thing that bothers me in Bluetooth is the lossy audio compression
alephxyz 4y ago
3. Manufacturers forcing you to install their (adware infested) mobile apps to remap or use the hardware buttons

eternityforest 4y ago

For developers, yeah, Bluetooth is like a torture device, but for consumers, it's wonderful. I take my Soundcore buds out of the case. They connect in seconds. I put them back, and put the case on a wireless charging pad. There is no interruption to any of my other Bluetooth items. I wouldn't even look at anything non-wireless. It would have been nice to have pro audio grade latency, but it's fine for music and not particularly noticable in calls.

Nullabillity 4y ago
As a user I don't love having the sound keep dropping out because I went too close to the train station, or because my phone was rotated slightly wrong in the pocket.
- thenthenthen 4y ago
  I noticed when stepping out of a train BT drops for a brief moment, what causes this interference? The powerlines ?! Interference from other commuters?
  - tehbeard 4y ago
    ...where on earth are you guys that this happens? I'm commuting every day with Bluetooth headphones and never, ever had a dropout while listening to podcasts and stepping on/off trains.
thefz 4y ago
> For developers, yeah, Bluetooth is like a torture device, but for consumers, it's wonderful. Let me respectfully disagree. Most of the times it's a pain, from my personal experience.
LinAGKar 4y ago
Sure it it's good enough if you're just playing audio, but it's garbage if you need to keep the audio in sync with the video (if you can't do latency compensation), so it's useless for games. And the other major problem is that the audio quality drops down to garbage if you want to use the microphone, as it needs to switch to HSP or HFP. I find it ominous that the marketing for LE audio has completely ignored these problems, instead focusing on minor improvements like streaming directly do both buds.

theshrike79 4y ago

Bluetooth is fine, it's just the codecs that suck. As soon as you enable the microphone on a headset, the codec switches to "American cell phone circa 1990" -mode and everything sounds like shit. Airpods Max seem to circumvent this with the W1 chip though and it's a complete game changer. I can actually use noise cancelling while having the mic enabled.