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"Good online communities die primarily by refusing to defend themselves. Somewhere in the vastness of the Internet, it is happening even now. It was once a we

"Good online communities die primarily by refusing to defend themselves. Somewhere in the vastness of the Internet, it is happening even now. It was once a well-kept garden of intelligent discussion, where knowledgeable and interested folk came, attracted by the high quality of speech they saw ongoing. But into this garden comes a fool, and the level of discussion drops a little—or more than a little, if the fool is very prolific in their posting. (It is worse if the fool is just articulate enough that the former inhabitants of the garden feel obliged to respond, and correct misapprehensions—for then the fool dominates conversations.)" https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tscc3e5eujrsEeFN4/well-kept-gardens-die-by-pacifism https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tscc3e5eujrsEeFN4/well-kept-...

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bowsamic 4y ago
The fool is me. I am the fool.
- dijit 4y ago
  In this corollary, we are all the fool.
Akronymus 4y ago
I find myself more and more in favour of gatekeeping/keeping a low inflow of new people. Too tired of the "include us -> we demand change -> we demand you be kicked out -> build your own place" cycle. I used to be very against any form of gatekeeping. And lost a few really nice communities through that cycle.
- beardedetim 4y ago
  I once heard that you're the average of the 5 people you spend the most time around and the older I get the more true that rings. I try to be _really_ particular with the communities I join and I have _no qualm_ removing either people from my communities or myself from theirs if I don't feel like we're helping each other; or more specifically if _I don't feel_ that _I am growing_ in the way _I want to grow_. We should be kind to each other, for sure, regardless of what _Group_ we're in. Everyone should have equal access to their needs and desires. But. I am not _obligated to allow you to influence me_.
  - JohnWhigham 4y ago
    I once heard that you're the average of the 5 people you spend the most time around It's also "you are your friends". If you're normally a mild-mannered guy that starts hanging around belligerent unscrupulous types, well, to outsiders you're one of them.
  - rnjesus 4y ago
    >…5 people… i must be really unique ._.
- xisukar 4y ago
  >Too tired of the "include us -> we demand change -> we demand you be kicked out -> build your own place" cycle. It reminds me of a modified version [1] of one of the Webcomic Name comics [2]: grey blubs: you do not fit here pink blubs: okay we will make our own place grey blubs: why are you excluding us? pink blubs: oh no grey blubs (inside the space pink blubs just built): you do not fit here [1]: https://twitter.com/reactjpg/status/1272042422340669440 https://twitter.com/reactjpg/status/1272042422340669440 [2]: https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109 https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109
- uuee 4y ago
- HomeGear 4y ago
  I’m strongly in favor of gatekeeping. I know that’s a bad word to some but that’s how you retain focus and purpose. It used to be the “normies” that you’d shield your group from, now it’s the “normies”, griefers, and the perma-offended.
teddyh 4y ago
Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil — https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/ https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/
- ozim 4y ago
  I am not native English speaker but for me ostracizes are evil and ostracizing has really distinct feel to it. Not accepting someone into group for me does not fall under 'ostracizing' - for me ostracizing is not accepting someone into the group and making such person feel worse and even feel attacked. Not accepting Joe Badbreath to the "Fresh Teeth" group and letting him know "Hey Joe, you don't belong here because X" for me is not ostracizing. Not accepting Joe to the group by "we don't accept smelly people here, go away you XX" and then mocking smelly people in the group regarding them as lesser people. - that is ostracizing for me.
RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago
I see this cited all the time like the bible. Keep in mind, the internet and the earth by and large is itself a community, and its not moderated nor defended except in places like north korea or china. Besides those places that are "defending themselves" the community is very healthy.
- uuee 4y ago
  Follow news/current events more closely (not just from MSM sources)

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bowsamic 4y ago

The fool is me. I am the fool.

dijit 4y ago
In this corollary, we are all the fool.

Akronymus 4y ago

I find myself more and more in favour of gatekeeping/keeping a low inflow of new people. Too tired of the "include us -> we demand change -> we demand you be kicked out -> build your own place" cycle. I used to be very against any form of gatekeeping. And lost a few really nice communities through that cycle.

beardedetim 4y ago
I once heard that you're the average of the 5 people you spend the most time around and the older I get the more true that rings. I try to be _really_ particular with the communities I join and I have _no qualm_ removing either people from my communities or myself from theirs if I don't feel like we're helping each other; or more specifically if _I don't feel_ that _I am growing_ in the way _I want to grow_. We should be kind to each other, for sure, regardless of what _Group_ we're in. Everyone should have equal access to their needs and desires. But. I am not _obligated to allow you to influence me_.
- JohnWhigham 4y ago
  I once heard that you're the average of the 5 people you spend the most time around It's also "you are your friends". If you're normally a mild-mannered guy that starts hanging around belligerent unscrupulous types, well, to outsiders you're one of them.
- rnjesus 4y ago
  >…5 people… i must be really unique ._.
xisukar 4y ago
>Too tired of the "include us -> we demand change -> we demand you be kicked out -> build your own place" cycle. It reminds me of a modified version [1] of one of the Webcomic Name comics [2]: grey blubs: you do not fit here pink blubs: okay we will make our own place grey blubs: why are you excluding us? pink blubs: oh no grey blubs (inside the space pink blubs just built): you do not fit here [1]: https://twitter.com/reactjpg/status/1272042422340669440 https://twitter.com/reactjpg/status/1272042422340669440 [2]: https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109 https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109
uuee 4y ago
HomeGear 4y ago
I’m strongly in favor of gatekeeping. I know that’s a bad word to some but that’s how you retain focus and purpose. It used to be the “normies” that you’d shield your group from, now it’s the “normies”, griefers, and the perma-offended.

teddyh 4y ago

Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil — https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/ https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/

ozim 4y ago
I am not native English speaker but for me ostracizes are evil and ostracizing has really distinct feel to it. Not accepting someone into group for me does not fall under 'ostracizing' - for me ostracizing is not accepting someone into the group and making such person feel worse and even feel attacked. Not accepting Joe Badbreath to the "Fresh Teeth" group and letting him know "Hey Joe, you don't belong here because X" for me is not ostracizing. Not accepting Joe to the group by "we don't accept smelly people here, go away you XX" and then mocking smelly people in the group regarding them as lesser people. - that is ostracizing for me.

RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago

I see this cited all the time like the bible. Keep in mind, the internet and the earth by and large is itself a community, and its not moderated nor defended except in places like north korea or china. Besides those places that are "defending themselves" the community is very healthy.

uuee 4y ago
Follow news/current events more closely (not just from MSM sources)