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The regulated companies didn't do much better: CVNA -91% PTON -91% RIVN -90% FVRR -90% HOOD -90% U -85% ROKU, DKNG, RBLX, the list goes on .. and we call t

The regulated companies didn't do much better: CVNA -91% PTON -91% RIVN -90% FVRR -90% HOOD -90% U -85% ROKU, DKNG, RBLX, the list goes on .. and we call those investments.

andrew991116 4y ago
Go ask a CFA and they’ll tell you that buying stocks in these companies is not investing, but speculating. Nothing in these company’s fundamentals warrants any investment. If you buy a stock based on the idea that someone will buy it at a higher price without considering it’s intrinsic value, it’s speculating.
- chii 4y ago
  it's fine to speculate, as long as the person doing the speculating knows what they're doing. The only problem happens when you speculate, but think you're investing.
yunohn 4y ago
There’s a difference between equity in badly performing companies, and a Ponzi scheme where “stable” coins that promise a value of 1$ can depeg.
- aeternum 4y ago
  There is a difference, the code for UST/LUNA was open-source and risks were out in the open. In contrast, a company can hide wrongdoing and you can be left with something like Enron. Long-term, I'd trust the algos more than the traditional system. Survival is a powerful selector, flawed ideas will be weeded out. Those that remain will be both resilient and transparent.
  - yunohn 4y ago
    > I'd trust the algos more than the traditional system LUNA being an algo stable helped with nothing. Do Kwon erratically bought BTC at a peak and during this attack, it was "sold" but is now /unaccounted/ for. Further, they minted more LUNA and increased circulating supply from 350k to 7T in a few days. None of this is algorithmic, but purely (and messily) human-operated.
    - aeternum 4y ago
      Agreed, there will always be scammers out there. Trust the code, not the human shills. Just as with a company, consider who has controlling interest. One advantage of crypto however is that the books are wide open to those willing to look.
      - yunohn 4y ago
        No, my point is that an algorithm can only control very few things - most governance actions are manual and attacks can exploit anything.
        aeternum 4y ago
        Yes that's fair, but if you choose algos/chains with actual distributed governance then you at least the voting has to happen on-chain so you can sell if you don't agree with the way a vote is going. You can sometimes do the same with companies but definitely not always.

The regulated companies didn't do much better: CVNA -91% PTON -91% RIVN -90% FVRR -90% HOOD -90% U -85% ROKU, DKNG, RBLX, the list goes on .. and we call those investments.

andrew991116 4y ago

Go ask a CFA and they’ll tell you that buying stocks in these companies is not investing, but speculating. Nothing in these company’s fundamentals warrants any investment. If you buy a stock based on the idea that someone will buy it at a higher price without considering it’s intrinsic value, it’s speculating.

chii 4y ago
it's fine to speculate, as long as the person doing the speculating knows what they're doing. The only problem happens when you speculate, but think you're investing.

yunohn 4y ago

There’s a difference between equity in badly performing companies, and a Ponzi scheme where “stable” coins that promise a value of 1$ can depeg.

aeternum 4y ago
There is a difference, the code for UST/LUNA was open-source and risks were out in the open. In contrast, a company can hide wrongdoing and you can be left with something like Enron. Long-term, I'd trust the algos more than the traditional system. Survival is a powerful selector, flawed ideas will be weeded out. Those that remain will be both resilient and transparent.
- yunohn 4y ago
  > I'd trust the algos more than the traditional system LUNA being an algo stable helped with nothing. Do Kwon erratically bought BTC at a peak and during this attack, it was "sold" but is now /unaccounted/ for. Further, they minted more LUNA and increased circulating supply from 350k to 7T in a few days. None of this is algorithmic, but purely (and messily) human-operated.
  - aeternum 4y ago
    Agreed, there will always be scammers out there. Trust the code, not the human shills. Just as with a company, consider who has controlling interest. One advantage of crypto however is that the books are wide open to those willing to look.
    - yunohn 4y ago
      No, my point is that an algorithm can only control very few things - most governance actions are manual and attacks can exploit anything.
      - aeternum 4y ago
        Yes that's fair, but if you choose algos/chains with actual distributed governance then you at least the voting has to happen on-chain so you can sell if you don't agree with the way a vote is going. You can sometimes do the same with companies but definitely not always.