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Come on. It isn’t removed it’s just not built into the unit. You can appreciate why, right? The engineering problem for building a phone is literally physically

Come on. It isn’t removed it’s just not built into the unit. You can appreciate why, right? The engineering problem for building a phone is literally physically packing technology into the form factor. A headphone jack does not pass this test.

gtvwill 4y ago
You are joking right? They've managed to fit it in for >10yrs what changed now? Lol I won't buy a phone w/ out a headphone jack. Non cabled audio sucks for latency and quality, dongles aren't an acceptable answer either...
- esperent 4y ago
  Say rather "the headphone jack no longer passes the test". There's all kinds of things they could add to phones - bigger battery, headphone jack, sd card slot, heart rate sensor, infrared remote, and loads more, and then all the hundreds of components they do include. They have to pack it all into this tiny tiny amount of space and they have to make decisions about what to include. That used to include headphone jack, now it doesn't. You're upset about that, while I'd really love if phones included heart rate sensors. But we're both in a minority it seems. It's important to remember that when you see lots of people on the internet complain about something, that doesn't mean that the majority care. The majority don't care even a tiny bit so they don't speak about it at all. Only the minority who do care speak up. And if the majority of headphone jacks go unused maybe it's not reasonable for the remaining few who care to demand they stay - they are another potential point of failure and ingress in a phone, after all.
  - 8note 4y ago
    The jack space is just replaced by a jack shaped piece of plastic though. I take apart every phone I've owned to replace the screen many times, and it's not like it's a tradeoff for something else that could take the space. Just BOM reduction
  - Glant 4y ago
    Not sure about the 6a, but the regular pixel 6 arguably only has the bigger battery and even then I still can't get 2 days of use between charging. No headphone jack, no SD card, no IR remote, heart beat sensing is done via camera instead of its own sensor. Maybe the tensor chip takes a lot of space. The rest of your argument seems sound enough.
SECProto 4y ago
> Come on. It isn’t removed it’s just not built into the unit. I assume this is a reference to being able to use a usbc-to-aux dongle? The aux port is literally removed from the 6a... > You can appreciate why, right? The engineering problem for building a phone is literally physically packing technology into the form factor. A headphone jack does not pass this test. Aux ports have fit in phones for years. Still do in lots of other phones. Volumetrically, it takes up maybe 6mm diameter by 16mm long - 450mm3, out of the pixel 6a's total dimension of 97,258mm3 I had actually been hoping to pick up the 6a, as I need a new phone soon, but I'll be getting something from a different brand (one that has an aux port and a microSD slot). edit: moto g52 is looking pretty tempting for what's available now.
- zapzupnz 4y ago
  > I assume this is a reference to being able to use a usbc-to-aux dongle? The aux port is literally removed from the 6a... No, other way around. 3.5mm female to USB-C male, not 3.5mm male to USB-C female.
  - SECProto 4y ago
    I'm sorry if my word order affected your understanding of what I meant, but I don't believe a usbc-female to aux male cable exists. If it does, it's certainly not common enough to warrant correction.
8note 4y ago
It's switched from an included feature to a paid accessory. How is that not removed? It's not like phones can't fit it in, it's just not as profitable as selling separate dongles or Bluetooth headphones. It's a loss to consumer friendliness and competitiveness, in favour of vendor lock in profits

gtvwill 4y ago

You are joking right? They've managed to fit it in for >10yrs what changed now? Lol I won't buy a phone w/ out a headphone jack. Non cabled audio sucks for latency and quality, dongles aren't an acceptable answer either...

esperent 4y ago
Say rather "the headphone jack no longer passes the test". There's all kinds of things they could add to phones - bigger battery, headphone jack, sd card slot, heart rate sensor, infrared remote, and loads more, and then all the hundreds of components they do include. They have to pack it all into this tiny tiny amount of space and they have to make decisions about what to include. That used to include headphone jack, now it doesn't. You're upset about that, while I'd really love if phones included heart rate sensors. But we're both in a minority it seems. It's important to remember that when you see lots of people on the internet complain about something, that doesn't mean that the majority care. The majority don't care even a tiny bit so they don't speak about it at all. Only the minority who do care speak up. And if the majority of headphone jacks go unused maybe it's not reasonable for the remaining few who care to demand they stay - they are another potential point of failure and ingress in a phone, after all.
- 8note 4y ago
  The jack space is just replaced by a jack shaped piece of plastic though. I take apart every phone I've owned to replace the screen many times, and it's not like it's a tradeoff for something else that could take the space. Just BOM reduction
- Glant 4y ago
  Not sure about the 6a, but the regular pixel 6 arguably only has the bigger battery and even then I still can't get 2 days of use between charging. No headphone jack, no SD card, no IR remote, heart beat sensing is done via camera instead of its own sensor. Maybe the tensor chip takes a lot of space. The rest of your argument seems sound enough.

SECProto 4y ago

> Come on. It isn’t removed it’s just not built into the unit. I assume this is a reference to being able to use a usbc-to-aux dongle? The aux port is literally removed from the 6a... > You can appreciate why, right? The engineering problem for building a phone is literally physically packing technology into the form factor. A headphone jack does not pass this test. Aux ports have fit in phones for years. Still do in lots of other phones. Volumetrically, it takes up maybe 6mm diameter by 16mm long - 450mm3, out of the pixel 6a's total dimension of 97,258mm3 I had actually been hoping to pick up the 6a, as I need a new phone soon, but I'll be getting something from a different brand (one that has an aux port and a microSD slot). edit: moto g52 is looking pretty tempting for what's available now.

zapzupnz 4y ago
> I assume this is a reference to being able to use a usbc-to-aux dongle? The aux port is literally removed from the 6a... No, other way around. 3.5mm female to USB-C male, not 3.5mm male to USB-C female.
- SECProto 4y ago
  I'm sorry if my word order affected your understanding of what I meant, but I don't believe a usbc-female to aux male cable exists. If it does, it's certainly not common enough to warrant correction.

8note 4y ago

It's switched from an included feature to a paid accessory. How is that not removed? It's not like phones can't fit it in, it's just not as profitable as selling separate dongles or Bluetooth headphones. It's a loss to consumer friendliness and competitiveness, in favour of vendor lock in profits