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There it is. The person who think human minds are python programs doing linear algebra.

adamsmith143 4y ago
There's no evidence otherwise. You have to believe that the mind has a materialist basis or else you believe in woo woo magic.
- dekhn 4y ago
  sure, but I think it's fair to say that brains probably aren't doing lballistics calculations when a baseball player sees a pop fly and manveuvers to catch it. Rather, brains, composed mainly of neurons and other essential components, approximate partial differential equations, much like machine learning systems do.
  - riversflow 4y ago
    > sure, but I think it's fair to say that brains probably aren't doing lballistics calculations when a baseball player sees a pop fly and manveuvers to catch it. Well, I know you were talking about throwing, but there is some[1] talk/evidence in the evolutionary biology/neural darwinsm community that complex language development was a consequence of human developing the ability to hunt by throwing rocks (a very complicated and highly mathematical task). From my understanding after developing the required shoulder/arm morphology to throw at high speed brain sized tripled in early hominids. So the brain actually might be doing something closer to math than we might think. [1]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022519383904058 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/002251... [2]https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-540-29678-2_3152 https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-5...
- TaupeRanger 4y ago
  There's evidence everywhere, every second of every day. It doesn't follow from the mind having a material basis that it is doing linear algebra calculations like a Python machine learning program. That's quite a leap.
  - webmaven 4y ago
    > There's evidence everywhere, every second of every day. It doesn't follow from the mind having a material basis that it is doing linear algebra calculations like a Python machine learning program. That's quite a leap. Not literally, no. But it is entirely possible that what the human mind is doing is equivalent (in the Turing machine sense), if far more efficient (calorically) and robust (though haphazard and stochastic).
  - adamsmith143 4y ago
    > It doesn't follow from the mind having a material basis that it is doing linear algebra calculations like a Python machine learning program. That's quite a leap. It's clearly doing math and obviously no one actually believes its running python programs, you created a strawman.

There's no evidence otherwise. You have to believe that the mind has a materialist basis or else you believe in woo woo magic.

dekhn 4y ago
sure, but I think it's fair to say that brains probably aren't doing lballistics calculations when a baseball player sees a pop fly and manveuvers to catch it. Rather, brains, composed mainly of neurons and other essential components, approximate partial differential equations, much like machine learning systems do.
- riversflow 4y ago
  > sure, but I think it's fair to say that brains probably aren't doing lballistics calculations when a baseball player sees a pop fly and manveuvers to catch it. Well, I know you were talking about throwing, but there is some[1] talk/evidence in the evolutionary biology/neural darwinsm community that complex language development was a consequence of human developing the ability to hunt by throwing rocks (a very complicated and highly mathematical task). From my understanding after developing the required shoulder/arm morphology to throw at high speed brain sized tripled in early hominids. So the brain actually might be doing something closer to math than we might think. [1]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022519383904058 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/002251... [2]https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-540-29678-2_3152 https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-5...
TaupeRanger 4y ago
There's evidence everywhere, every second of every day. It doesn't follow from the mind having a material basis that it is doing linear algebra calculations like a Python machine learning program. That's quite a leap.
- webmaven 4y ago
  > There's evidence everywhere, every second of every day. It doesn't follow from the mind having a material basis that it is doing linear algebra calculations like a Python machine learning program. That's quite a leap. Not literally, no. But it is entirely possible that what the human mind is doing is equivalent (in the Turing machine sense), if far more efficient (calorically) and robust (though haphazard and stochastic).
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  > It doesn't follow from the mind having a material basis that it is doing linear algebra calculations like a Python machine learning program. That's quite a leap. It's clearly doing math and obviously no one actually believes its running python programs, you created a strawman.