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So wait, your point is "Governments are going to spy on you no matter what"... and your plan is to make measures that protect against that such as encryption il

by yunwal 4y ago

So wait, your point is "Governments are going to spy on you no matter what"... and your plan is to make measures that protect against that such as encryption illegal?

hunterb123 4y ago
That wasn't his point at all. Instead of badly paraphrasing why don't you reply to what he actually wrote. He was clarifying the situation unlike everyone else talking in hyperboles. I'm not for this specific suggestion but Ashton and his foundation are truly trying to help fight child trafficking. Let's talk through a solution instead of ignoring it or slandering those trying to do something.
tootie 4y ago
No. My point is governments will _repress_ people regardless of their surveillance capabilities. The Gestapo didn't need to monitor WhatsApp to detain disloyal citizens without trial. On the flip side, there are billion dollar corporations who exist solely to shit on the leaders of their countries as loudly as possible with no repercussions. I'm not saying surveillance is great and we just blindly accept it, but I am saying the cost of heightened surveillance is a lot lower than the HN crowd seem to think it is. When you're balancing the scale of public safety against increased surveillance it's not a simple equation.
- raxxorrax 4y ago
  If the Gestapo did have WhatsApp data it would have been severely more powerful. You are correct that I believe the cost is quite high compared to the very low returns of invasions of privacy like this. Which probably amounts to none. We increased surveillance for decades. And none of this surveillance had any measurable impact on safety. It is just a short sighted proposal and nothing more. We know where and when kids get abused. The abused is almost always in their vicinity. Internet chat surveillance does not help at all.

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So wait, your point is "Governments are going to spy on you no matter what"... and your plan is to make measures that protect against that such as encryption il

by yunwal 4y ago

So wait, your point is "Governments are going to spy on you no matter what"... and your plan is to make measures that protect against that such as encryption illegal?

hunterb123 4y ago
That wasn't his point at all. Instead of badly paraphrasing why don't you reply to what he actually wrote. He was clarifying the situation unlike everyone else talking in hyperboles. I'm not for this specific suggestion but Ashton and his foundation are truly trying to help fight child trafficking. Let's talk through a solution instead of ignoring it or slandering those trying to do something.
tootie 4y ago
No. My point is governments will _repress_ people regardless of their surveillance capabilities. The Gestapo didn't need to monitor WhatsApp to detain disloyal citizens without trial. On the flip side, there are billion dollar corporations who exist solely to shit on the leaders of their countries as loudly as possible with no repercussions. I'm not saying surveillance is great and we just blindly accept it, but I am saying the cost of heightened surveillance is a lot lower than the HN crowd seem to think it is. When you're balancing the scale of public safety against increased surveillance it's not a simple equation.
- raxxorrax 4y ago
  If the Gestapo did have WhatsApp data it would have been severely more powerful. You are correct that I believe the cost is quite high compared to the very low returns of invasions of privacy like this. Which probably amounts to none. We increased surveillance for decades. And none of this surveillance had any measurable impact on safety. It is just a short sighted proposal and nothing more. We know where and when kids get abused. The abused is almost always in their vicinity. Internet chat surveillance does not help at all.