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It's simply due to the fact that EU Gov. choose to go for UK and USA interest AGAINST our EU Citizens interest, that's why the EUR plunge. The sole hope IMVHO

by kkfx 4y ago

It's simply due to the fact that EU Gov. choose to go for UK and USA interest AGAINST our EU Citizens interest, that's why the EUR plunge. The sole hope IMVHO is a series off mass protest asking only one thing: jailing for life in very harsh conditions our actual ruling class stating that we still want to de Democracies, witch is veeeery unlikely.

bpye 4y ago
I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to - can you elaborate? How have the EU gone with UK and US interests rather than their own?
- kkfx 4y ago
  Russian Fed. is a natural partner: - we are all European, till the Urals, we understand each others as we have done even during the cold war BETTER that what we do with the so called "anglosphere" (cfr Limes, geopolitical review), we also share similar values; - they have gazillion of natural resources we need, they are developed enough to harvest them but not enough to surpass us in tech terms, they are surrounded by not-really-friendly powers (China in primis) so we need their resources, they need our tech and support, an equal, balanced and fair partnership; Our best interest is going out of NATO, form a REAL European Union, with a common fiscal and social system, a French-lead initial nuclear deterrent toward an EU army (due to the still present language differences that makes a real general army not really doable in short time), toward again an anti-fascist Costitution modeled around Italy and Germany ones, offering Russia to apply for EAEU (EuroAsian union) with a pact of mutual and fair partnership. That's was ALREADY ongoing and that's why USA and UK have crafted Ukrainian coup n. 1 (orange revolution https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-856x.2008.00343.x https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-856x.2008.00343.x for instance) the n. 2 (Euromaidan massacres [1]) and have keeping forging nazis in the east, if you do not know just read OFFICIAL docs like: https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf or famous think tanks from USA like: https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html and relevant doc https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/R... [1] start from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 and https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-rus... observing the famous "F*ck the EU" Nuland's phrase AND who report that
  - postingawayonhn 4y ago
    What a load of rubbish. Russia has no respect for basic human rights and democracy. Deep economic/social integration with Russia is very dangerous for western liberal democracies until Russia makes major reforms (would probably take 50+ years).
    - nixarn 4y ago
      Totally agree. Russia could become a good partner if they'd have a working democracy, freedom of press, freedom of speech. And that the wealth in russia isn't divided so that 500 ppl own 98%+.
    - c0nducktr 4y ago
      > Russia has no respect for basic human rights and democracy. Deep economic/social integration with Russia is very dangerous for western liberal democracies until Russia makes major reforms Is it? We have deep ties with Saudi Arabia. Should those be severed too?
      - throwaway5371 4y ago
        yes
        c0nducktr 4y ago
        I appriciate your answer, but I was really looking for a response from postingawayonhn.
      - postingawayonhn 4y ago
        Absolutely. The west is only friendly with them to keep oil prices stable and to stop another middle eastern war.
    - kkfx 4y ago
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landemva 4y ago
I suspect EU can stay together for ease of trade, but some countries will go back to local currencies. Nobody wants to buy the low-yielding EU bonds. The unelected EU rulers are a disgrace to the people who died or suffered in the wars of the 1900s.
- Isinlor 4y ago
  All leaders of the EU are elected. Either by direct vote, vote of the member states, or vote of the member states with approval of directly elected EU parliament.
  - landemva 4y ago
    When did people vote for President von der Leyen?
    - Isinlor 4y ago
      She was elected on 16th of July 2019 by the EU Parliament. There were 383 votes in favour of her nomination, 327 against and 22 abstentions. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/hearings2019/commission-president-2019/20190711STO56846/video-parliament-elects-von-der-leyen-as-commission-president https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/hearings2019/commissi... The EU Parliament elections by the direct citizens vote were on 23–26 May 2019. Her election is really not much different than election of any other prime minister / executive in parliamentary democracies. The only difference is that the president of the EU Commission is proposed by the member states.
      - landemva 4y ago
        Right, the people don't vote for the president. If the people are allowed to vote, people vote for change - Brexit, Trump. The people have little influence in what is being forced on them. I suspect this will end with some EU member States going their own way, after the people demand it.
        4y ago
radicaldreamer 4y ago
How are US and EU interests not aligned? Germany doesn’t have a military that can defend the country and most of the EU is heavily reliant on the US for its own protection.
- jltsiren 4y ago
  That view no longer makes sense. In the past few months, we've learned that Russia did the same as every other European country. It didn't bother maintaining a serious military force. All the real military threats are somewhere far away, and they don't concern the EU.
- herbst 4y ago
  This is something appearantly only Americans seem to 'know'. Local versions range from 'we can defend ourself' to 'we won't get ourselfs in a war in 2022', excluding Germany that a historically weird relationship with the US
- kkfx 4y ago
  How can Germany be defended against UK and USA? France can, a bit, with a Russian partner. Because there are no friends between countries, just competing interests. Actually USA oppress Germany as UK oppress Italy right after WWII the war they have helped creating to steal our richness, with a large contribution from our citizens, of course. Our sole hope as western Europeans is a French Europe with Russia in the EAEU alliance, with that we can rule back the world, without we can just choose who subjugate us first.

by kkfx 4y ago

bpye 4y ago

I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to - can you elaborate? How have the EU gone with UK and US interests rather than their own?

kkfx 4y ago
Russian Fed. is a natural partner: - we are all European, till the Urals, we understand each others as we have done even during the cold war BETTER that what we do with the so called "anglosphere" (cfr Limes, geopolitical review), we also share similar values; - they have gazillion of natural resources we need, they are developed enough to harvest them but not enough to surpass us in tech terms, they are surrounded by not-really-friendly powers (China in primis) so we need their resources, they need our tech and support, an equal, balanced and fair partnership; Our best interest is going out of NATO, form a REAL European Union, with a common fiscal and social system, a French-lead initial nuclear deterrent toward an EU army (due to the still present language differences that makes a real general army not really doable in short time), toward again an anti-fascist Costitution modeled around Italy and Germany ones, offering Russia to apply for EAEU (EuroAsian union) with a pact of mutual and fair partnership. That's was ALREADY ongoing and that's why USA and UK have crafted Ukrainian coup n. 1 (orange revolution https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-856x.2008.00343.x https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-856x.2008.00343.x for instance) the n. 2 (Euromaidan massacres [1]) and have keeping forging nazis in the east, if you do not know just read OFFICIAL docs like: https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf or famous think tanks from USA like: https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html and relevant doc https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/R... [1] start from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 and https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-rus... observing the famous "F*ck the EU" Nuland's phrase AND who report that
- postingawayonhn 4y ago
  What a load of rubbish. Russia has no respect for basic human rights and democracy. Deep economic/social integration with Russia is very dangerous for western liberal democracies until Russia makes major reforms (would probably take 50+ years).
  - nixarn 4y ago
    Totally agree. Russia could become a good partner if they'd have a working democracy, freedom of press, freedom of speech. And that the wealth in russia isn't divided so that 500 ppl own 98%+.
  - c0nducktr 4y ago
    > Russia has no respect for basic human rights and democracy. Deep economic/social integration with Russia is very dangerous for western liberal democracies until Russia makes major reforms Is it? We have deep ties with Saudi Arabia. Should those be severed too?
    - throwaway5371 4y ago
      yes
      - c0nducktr 4y ago
        I appriciate your answer, but I was really looking for a response from postingawayonhn.
    - postingawayonhn 4y ago
      Absolutely. The west is only friendly with them to keep oil prices stable and to stop another middle eastern war.
  - kkfx 4y ago
    [flagged]

landemva 4y ago

I suspect EU can stay together for ease of trade, but some countries will go back to local currencies. Nobody wants to buy the low-yielding EU bonds. The unelected EU rulers are a disgrace to the people who died or suffered in the wars of the 1900s.

Isinlor 4y ago
All leaders of the EU are elected. Either by direct vote, vote of the member states, or vote of the member states with approval of directly elected EU parliament.
- landemva 4y ago
  When did people vote for President von der Leyen?
  - Isinlor 4y ago
    She was elected on 16th of July 2019 by the EU Parliament. There were 383 votes in favour of her nomination, 327 against and 22 abstentions. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/hearings2019/commission-president-2019/20190711STO56846/video-parliament-elects-von-der-leyen-as-commission-president https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/hearings2019/commissi... The EU Parliament elections by the direct citizens vote were on 23–26 May 2019. Her election is really not much different than election of any other prime minister / executive in parliamentary democracies. The only difference is that the president of the EU Commission is proposed by the member states.
    - landemva 4y ago
      Right, the people don't vote for the president. If the people are allowed to vote, people vote for change - Brexit, Trump. The people have little influence in what is being forced on them. I suspect this will end with some EU member States going their own way, after the people demand it.
      - 4y ago

radicaldreamer 4y ago

How are US and EU interests not aligned? Germany doesn’t have a military that can defend the country and most of the EU is heavily reliant on the US for its own protection.

jltsiren 4y ago
That view no longer makes sense. In the past few months, we've learned that Russia did the same as every other European country. It didn't bother maintaining a serious military force. All the real military threats are somewhere far away, and they don't concern the EU.
herbst 4y ago
This is something appearantly only Americans seem to 'know'. Local versions range from 'we can defend ourself' to 'we won't get ourselfs in a war in 2022', excluding Germany that a historically weird relationship with the US
kkfx 4y ago
How can Germany be defended against UK and USA? France can, a bit, with a Russian partner. Because there are no friends between countries, just competing interests. Actually USA oppress Germany as UK oppress Italy right after WWII the war they have helped creating to steal our richness, with a large contribution from our citizens, of course. Our sole hope as western Europeans is a French Europe with Russia in the EAEU alliance, with that we can rule back the world, without we can just choose who subjugate us first.