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No one really means anything ill and this political correctness madness needs to stop.

by systemvoltage 4y ago

nwsm 4y ago
- manigandham 4y ago
  Because it's not painful to others and intent always matters. These words are everywhere in the language; you're not really changing anything with these antics other than derailing the subject to appease those who assume offense on behalf of an imagined group of people that can't distinguish context.
  - sorenbs 4y ago
    Most of us moved on to better terminology 4+ years ago. The only ones derailing conversations are grumps like yourself who refuse to get with the program. Why is this so important to you?
    - manigandham 4y ago
      Who are you and what's this "program" you deem to impose on others? No thanks, I'll stick with the actual majority that have mastered using relevant language and rational context in discussions without being slaves to performative social constructs. Instead of assuming what's actually important to me, perhaps some introspection of why you immediately think of slavery in a computing context would be more helpful.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  People want to change Chess to red/blue. I'll continue to play with white and black pieces. This is a slippery slope of destroying the society by being hyper sensitive about things that no one really means. Absolutely hate this and fills me with disgust that people obssess over this kind of petty things. Life is beautiful. Enjoy it. Be kind to others that have zero intention of offending you.
  - pygy_ 4y ago
    The person you're replying to is very kind and considerate. They're not assuming people using the problematic terminology do so with the intention to harm. They are, however, mindful of its negative effects, hence the gentle reminder.
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      The person I am replying to is very kind indeed. The rest of society obsessed with this political correctness madness are extremely hostile, engaging in shaming and generally have sadistic vibes of oppressing people with their moral superiority – which has zero basis except they discovered a new offending word to pile up on others. This needs to stop IMO.
      - pygy_ 4y ago
        The behavior you're describing exists, but I don't think what you are describing is a minority behavior, generally exhibited by people who often suffer directly from the use of said terminology. I don't condone violence, but anger is understandable in that case. Also, if an idea has some idiotic proponents doesn't mean it's inherently false. Minorities are in the process of gaining cultural power and influence, to the detriment of the majority. This is unpleasant when you are on the receiving side, but IMO necessary right now.
- 65 4y ago
  How do you know it's painful for others? Are you assuming it's painful for others?
- judge2020 4y ago
  I think the question is, is it painful or harmful? The early discussions only seem to reference its potential problems, with the 2014 Drupal repo[0]'s reasoning being "those terms may carry racially charged meanings to users", and the 2018 Python bug[1] referencing "for diversity reasons". Maybe there are scholarly papers on this issue? 0: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692 https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692 1: https://bugs.python.org/issue34605 https://bugs.python.org/issue34605
- xwdv 4y ago
  It is painful to me and many others to switch from innocuous technical terms like master/slave, man in the middle attacks, motherboard, mount, whitelist, blacklist, etc, to satisfy the whims of a pedantic minority. But I know my opinion doesn’t matter to those people anyway.
- adventured 4y ago
  > If we can avoid terminology that is painful for others, why shouldn't we? Because other people's feelings shouldn't be treated as important as they have (relatively recently) been elevated to be, particularly in the very dysfunctional and broken US culture. Ideally we start stinging the soft US culture with a lot more political incorrectness. It's not a benefit for society to be so weak on such trivial matters as offensive terminology. Which is exactly what will follow this era of political correctness: inevitably the pendulum will swing back the other direction. We're due for an aggressive era of rebellion against the censorship and political correctness brigades.
- at_a_remove 4y ago
  Because it is being used for manipulation, falsely. "Oh, oh, this hurts me! I cannot bear it!" Recollect Emory University, in 2015, when someone wrote "TRUMP 2016" in chalk on the sidewalk. "Traumatized" protestors shouted "You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!" It's manipulation, pretending to be hurt. These people weren't locked in some kind of perpetual seizure for the four years of the Trump presidency, wailing in continual agony. It was a show.
  - nwsm 4y ago
    Can you explain what incentive someone has to "manipulate" us into no longer using the term slave, if not genuine discomfort?
    - at_a_remove 4y ago
      Well, why did the histrionics at the campus occur? Do you feel their discomfort was genuine? Bonus question: if it was genuine, what would you expect the outcome to be for them during the Trump presidency?
    - Siira 4y ago
      It makes petty people feel they have power over you. It’s not like they are that wrong. We like to reward norm enforcing, but we aren’t sufficiently inoculated against exploitative ones. The end game can be seen in any big religion.
- Siira 4y ago
  It is most probably not meaningfully painful for people, but it does seem to deflect responsibility from actually helping marginalized people, while giving status to assholes who enjoy harassing others instead of contributing anything. In some cases such as the git branch name, it also actively lost us many hours.

No one really means anything ill and this political correctness madness needs to stop.

nwsm 4y ago

manigandham 4y ago
Because it's not painful to others and intent always matters. These words are everywhere in the language; you're not really changing anything with these antics other than derailing the subject to appease those who assume offense on behalf of an imagined group of people that can't distinguish context.
- sorenbs 4y ago
  Most of us moved on to better terminology 4+ years ago. The only ones derailing conversations are grumps like yourself who refuse to get with the program. Why is this so important to you?
  - manigandham 4y ago
    Who are you and what's this "program" you deem to impose on others? No thanks, I'll stick with the actual majority that have mastered using relevant language and rational context in discussions without being slaves to performative social constructs. Instead of assuming what's actually important to me, perhaps some introspection of why you immediately think of slavery in a computing context would be more helpful.
systemvoltage 4y ago
People want to change Chess to red/blue. I'll continue to play with white and black pieces. This is a slippery slope of destroying the society by being hyper sensitive about things that no one really means. Absolutely hate this and fills me with disgust that people obssess over this kind of petty things. Life is beautiful. Enjoy it. Be kind to others that have zero intention of offending you.
- pygy_ 4y ago
  The person you're replying to is very kind and considerate. They're not assuming people using the problematic terminology do so with the intention to harm. They are, however, mindful of its negative effects, hence the gentle reminder.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    The person I am replying to is very kind indeed. The rest of society obsessed with this political correctness madness are extremely hostile, engaging in shaming and generally have sadistic vibes of oppressing people with their moral superiority – which has zero basis except they discovered a new offending word to pile up on others. This needs to stop IMO.
    - pygy_ 4y ago
      The behavior you're describing exists, but I don't think what you are describing is a minority behavior, generally exhibited by people who often suffer directly from the use of said terminology. I don't condone violence, but anger is understandable in that case. Also, if an idea has some idiotic proponents doesn't mean it's inherently false. Minorities are in the process of gaining cultural power and influence, to the detriment of the majority. This is unpleasant when you are on the receiving side, but IMO necessary right now.
65 4y ago
How do you know it's painful for others? Are you assuming it's painful for others?
judge2020 4y ago
I think the question is, is it painful or harmful? The early discussions only seem to reference its potential problems, with the 2014 Drupal repo[0]'s reasoning being "those terms may carry racially charged meanings to users", and the 2018 Python bug[1] referencing "for diversity reasons". Maybe there are scholarly papers on this issue? 0: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692 https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692 1: https://bugs.python.org/issue34605 https://bugs.python.org/issue34605
xwdv 4y ago
It is painful to me and many others to switch from innocuous technical terms like master/slave, man in the middle attacks, motherboard, mount, whitelist, blacklist, etc, to satisfy the whims of a pedantic minority. But I know my opinion doesn’t matter to those people anyway.
adventured 4y ago
> If we can avoid terminology that is painful for others, why shouldn't we? Because other people's feelings shouldn't be treated as important as they have (relatively recently) been elevated to be, particularly in the very dysfunctional and broken US culture. Ideally we start stinging the soft US culture with a lot more political incorrectness. It's not a benefit for society to be so weak on such trivial matters as offensive terminology. Which is exactly what will follow this era of political correctness: inevitably the pendulum will swing back the other direction. We're due for an aggressive era of rebellion against the censorship and political correctness brigades.
at_a_remove 4y ago
Because it is being used for manipulation, falsely. "Oh, oh, this hurts me! I cannot bear it!" Recollect Emory University, in 2015, when someone wrote "TRUMP 2016" in chalk on the sidewalk. "Traumatized" protestors shouted "You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!" It's manipulation, pretending to be hurt. These people weren't locked in some kind of perpetual seizure for the four years of the Trump presidency, wailing in continual agony. It was a show.
- nwsm 4y ago
  Can you explain what incentive someone has to "manipulate" us into no longer using the term slave, if not genuine discomfort?
  - at_a_remove 4y ago
    Well, why did the histrionics at the campus occur? Do you feel their discomfort was genuine? Bonus question: if it was genuine, what would you expect the outcome to be for them during the Trump presidency?
  - Siira 4y ago
    It makes petty people feel they have power over you. It’s not like they are that wrong. We like to reward norm enforcing, but we aren’t sufficiently inoculated against exploitative ones. The end game can be seen in any big religion.
Siira 4y ago
It is most probably not meaningfully painful for people, but it does seem to deflect responsibility from actually helping marginalized people, while giving status to assholes who enjoy harassing others instead of contributing anything. In some cases such as the git branch name, it also actively lost us many hours.