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Are foreign peoples entitled to US citizenship? Where is the obligation to make the process easy and open to everyone coming from?
by twofornone 4y ago
Are foreign peoples entitled to US citizenship? Where is the obligation to make the process easy and open to everyone coming from?
- codegeek 4y agoNot saying make it easy. Trust me, it is already extremely hard. But I am replying to GP's argument which is basically saying that you should shut up because you are coming from a country which has worse. 2 different things. And yes, there are people who make the argument that if you become a naturalized citizen, you have no right to criticize the Govt or the country since you came from a much worse place. I am tired of that BS. Google "Amy Wax India" and you will know what I am talking about.
- rajup 4y agoWow this "professor" is a fine piece of work!
- mirceal 4y agoyou’re looking at this from the wrong angle. ask yourself: why would the US allow these people to come and work here in the first place? it’s because they NEED them. from highly skilled tech workers to “unskilled” low wage workers. Immigration and pumping human capital into our economy is the way the US stays/stayed? dominant and a superpower. Close the pipeline and in 10-20-30 years innovation is gone ,the edge we have us gone. The American dream fuels the growth. Act shitty toward the fuel, scratch your head why things fall apart.
- formerkrogemp 4y agoWe've already closed the pipeline. The talent is going elsewhere. We're in decline now.
- mirceal 4y agoi would say we have strangled the pipeline. we still have some flow but not for long.
- Bhilai 4y agoUnless you are a native Indian I am going to assume if your grand parents immigrated to this country and become citizens here, yes?
- Longlius 4y agoNot necessarily. My forebears came to this continent before there was a country, roughly 400 years ago.
- valarauko 4y agoFor what it's worth, 400 years is about 14 generations, and would constitute several thousand direct ancestors (~ 16K). Even accounting for pedigree collapse over the generations, for the vast majority of (non-Native Americans) Americans only a tiny sliver of those ancestors would have been on the continent at the time, if any.
- analyst74 4y agoAnd they massacred the people who lived here before them and started a new country. You must be proud.
- random314 4y agoYou see, countries are formed by white people. What existed before can be safely ignored. Really shocking how an immigrant describing his decades long naturalization process has triggered so many white men!
- twofornone 4y agoWhen did overt racism become socially acceptable?
- random314 4y agoYou should know, you practice it every day.
- chupkarkhotay 4y ago
- twofornone 4y ago>Written ‘in sorrow and anger,’ this is a brilliant and urgently necessary book, eloquently making the case against bigotry and for all of us migrants If you have to hide your arguments behind accusations of bigotry, you don't have a very good argument. Border enforcement is about far more than blind xenophobia. Such accusations are reductive appeals to ethos over logos.
- chupkarkhotay 4y ago
- random314 4y agoWere Europeans entitled to American land 500 years ago? What did Columbus' visa application look like?
- twofornone 4y agoSo because this land was colonized 500 years ago (as it was before Europeans arrived as well by the way, native Americans were not pacifists), we shouldn't enforce borders? How much time must pass after a land is conquered before nations are morally justified in enforcing sovereignty over borders? Particularly when the border belongs to a welfare state with finite resources and a host of internal issues that require fixing.
- random314 4y agoWe are talking about a less than 2 decade time horizon for citizenship for immigrants who are propping up your welfare state of birthright citizens with 100K$+ payments in income tax every year.
- passivate 4y agoIn this context of legal immigration, the point here isn't about sovereignty. It's simply documenting one persons experience - I don't see it as a call for open borders. Also, does the US recognize a country's sovereignty when it conducts its foreign affairs? It constantly meddles in the internal affairs of other countries, not to mention the countless military interventions over the years.
- car_analogy 4y agoSo present-day immigration is a punishment for the founding sin of the USA?
- random314 4y agoImmigration is what is propping this country's economy up. It is a tremendous gift, not a punishment- unless you are alluding to some wierd racial monoculture thing. The idea is to not look at a gift horse in the mouth. And stop punishing the most productive people in your economy. You don't want brexit thinking if you want to have an economy.
- guyzero 4y agothe standard response here is to ask which native american tribe you're a member of.
- pgcj_poster 4y agoLegally, the US doesn't have an obligation to to do anything other than comply with the treaties it signs. It would be within its rights as a sovereign nation to require that everyone within its borders wear a rainbow wig and hop around on one leg. However, that would be a stupid policy that would make people's lives harder for no reason.