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I doubt Thiel is some kind of central master mind behind all this. Musk seems quite independently driven and probably found this a necessary move with only mino

by natly 4y ago

I doubt Thiel is some kind of central master mind behind all this. Musk seems quite independently driven and probably found this a necessary move with only minor chats with thiel (if any). I'm not sure Thiel has any more or less influence than Sam Altman or Paul Graham.

lalos 4y ago
If someone makes you rich and successful with their business advice and you work with them for multiple years, would you ignore their phone call in the future and ignore their other suggestions? It’s not about being a master mind, there is soft power in play, humans are social animals.
- melony 4y ago
  If somebody truly creates value out of thin air, then they deserve to be heard.
  - throwmeariver1 4y ago
  - beepbooptheory 4y ago
    I agree. This is why labor unions need to be heard!
    - melony 4y ago
      Heard yes, protected from firing? Not necessarily.
- kjksf 4y ago
  Thiel (+ the rest of the board) fired Musk from his CEO position at PayPal. I'm pretty sure Musk would ignore any phone calls from Thiel. Furthermore, Thiel didn't make Musk rich. When PayPal was sold to eBay Musk was the single largest shareholder of PayPal, which should tell you who was the most responsible for PayPal's success.
  - lalos 4y ago
    That decision to oust him made Musk (one of the largest shareholders as you mention) rich when ebay purchased paypal under the new CEO… Peter Thiel. He effectively secured an exit for the company.
belter 4y ago
"Elon Musk Reacts To WSJ Report That 'Shadow Crew' Of Billionaires Including Peter Thiel Pushed Him To Buy Twitter" https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922872/elon-musk-wants-to-sell-shadow-crew-merch-to-fund-twitter-purchase-in-response-to-washington-post-re https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922872/elon-musk-wants... "A source who spoke to both men said that Musk thinks Thiel is "a sociopath," and Thiel considers Musk "a fraud."" https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-elon-musk-relationship-contrarian-book-max-chafkin-2021-9?international=true&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-elon-musk-relati...
- telesilla 4y ago
  Wouldn't that be what is beneficial for them to say about each other, in public? I honestly don't know what to think any more about anyone who has obtained massive amounts of money.
  - belter 4y ago
    Well there can't be much love between both... ""Life is too short for long-term grudges" Elon Musk on Peter Thiel's coup to be PayPal CEO": https://nitter.net/nitashatiku/status/735273960703545344 https://nitter.net/nitashatiku/status/735273960703545344
- lvl102 4y ago
  Not true at all. They’re on very good terms.
- natly 4y ago
  "Reacts to" and rejects the idea. I trust Musk more than rumors spread by WSJ.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  This is a very rare occasion when I can say that both Musk and Thiel are probably right (not that it matters either way).
- bambax 4y ago

by natly 4y ago

lalos 4y ago

If someone makes you rich and successful with their business advice and you work with them for multiple years, would you ignore their phone call in the future and ignore their other suggestions? It’s not about being a master mind, there is soft power in play, humans are social animals.

melony 4y ago
If somebody truly creates value out of thin air, then they deserve to be heard.
- throwmeariver1 4y ago
- beepbooptheory 4y ago
  I agree. This is why labor unions need to be heard!
  - melony 4y ago
    Heard yes, protected from firing? Not necessarily.
kjksf 4y ago
Thiel (+ the rest of the board) fired Musk from his CEO position at PayPal. I'm pretty sure Musk would ignore any phone calls from Thiel. Furthermore, Thiel didn't make Musk rich. When PayPal was sold to eBay Musk was the single largest shareholder of PayPal, which should tell you who was the most responsible for PayPal's success.
- lalos 4y ago
  That decision to oust him made Musk (one of the largest shareholders as you mention) rich when ebay purchased paypal under the new CEO… Peter Thiel. He effectively secured an exit for the company.

belter 4y ago

"Elon Musk Reacts To WSJ Report That 'Shadow Crew' Of Billionaires Including Peter Thiel Pushed Him To Buy Twitter" https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922872/elon-musk-wants-to-sell-shadow-crew-merch-to-fund-twitter-purchase-in-response-to-washington-post-re https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922872/elon-musk-wants... "A source who spoke to both men said that Musk thinks Thiel is "a sociopath," and Thiel considers Musk "a fraud."" https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-elon-musk-relationship-contrarian-book-max-chafkin-2021-9?international=true&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-elon-musk-relati...

telesilla 4y ago
Wouldn't that be what is beneficial for them to say about each other, in public? I honestly don't know what to think any more about anyone who has obtained massive amounts of money.
- belter 4y ago
  Well there can't be much love between both... ""Life is too short for long-term grudges" Elon Musk on Peter Thiel's coup to be PayPal CEO": https://nitter.net/nitashatiku/status/735273960703545344 https://nitter.net/nitashatiku/status/735273960703545344
lvl102 4y ago
Not true at all. They’re on very good terms.
natly 4y ago
"Reacts to" and rejects the idea. I trust Musk more than rumors spread by WSJ.
micromacrofoot 4y ago
This is a very rare occasion when I can say that both Musk and Thiel are probably right (not that it matters either way).
bambax 4y ago