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Who likes fascism?! Fascism must be the least popular extremist ideology in 2022. I have never heard anyone in my life talk about how it might be a good idea,

Who likes fascism?! Fascism must be the least popular extremist ideology in 2022. I have never heard anyone in my life talk about how it might be a good idea, or how "real fascism hasn't been tried yet". Hell I have barely even seen it on the internet. As far as I can tell it exists today only as an epithet, but happy to be proved wrong.

tayistay 4y ago
Fascism is authoritarian ultra-nationalism. Putin’s Russia fits easily. Various European leaders and parties fit to differing extents. Trump fits. Just like dictators call themselves presidents, fascists call themselves other things.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  I covered this in the OP: As far as I can tell it exists today only as an epithet
  - orwin 4y ago
    Fascism is an extreme Bonapartism. It is authoritarian, and anti-republican. Anti-republicanism in practice: removing power from courts (especially supranational organs like the US supreme court), consolidating media power (aka removing or pushing to the fringe dissident media) and removing various transparency laws (in France, stuff like making sure the campaign accounting is public, or letting the public know the complete estate?(patrimoine) of the presidential candidates). You can in practice have a fascist semi-democracy or oligarchy. Another key point is that unlike Bonapartism, and like Nazism and Stalinism, Fascism don't use plebiscite that much, historically only at the start, to help consolidate its power. This make it quite different from Gaullism (which is a very moderate Bonapartism). While Fascism, unlike Nazism, is not expansionist, it still have racist undertone and can use the hierarchy of races to justify colonialism and neo-colonialism, and appartheid. Like other far-right ideologies, their myth can be resumed like this: "We (our ethnical/religious/cultural/national group) are the best in the world. But right now, we aren't at our rightful place. This is because these external groups (The French/the English/the Russians/the Chinese) are preventing us to reach it, aided by our internal enemies(The Gypsys/the Jews/the communists/the anarchists/the libs) that we have to render inoffensive by any mean." I do see some fascists nowadays, but this is true that they are less anti-republican than they used to be 80 years ago, so a new denomination might be necessary? Unless anti-republicanism is just an inheritance from Bonaparte and not as central as i thought?
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jrsj 4y ago
There’s definitely a sizable fringe community of fascists with outsized cultural influence online, but their line is more “fascism was good actually” than “real fascism hasn’t been tried yet”.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
Surely if no-one liked fashism, there wouod be no fashism?
throwaway787544 4y ago
"Today, few political parties openly describe themselves as fascist, and no openly fascist parties are currently in power as of 2022. However, fascism is far from extinct. France's fascist "Front National" won more than 25% of the country's vote in 2014, as did the Danish People's Party in Denmark. Moreover, the ongoing prominence of groups such as the Patriot Front in the United States, Greece's Golden Dawn party, and Hungary's Jobbik testify to the ideology's continued appeal to some individuals. Additionally, smaller-scale fascist movements exist in dozens of countries to this day. What's more, many modern-day political parties and governments avoid the fascist label but still incorporate fascist ideas into their platforms and strategies. Rhetoric that recalls a time when a country was a great empire but was brought down by certain people enjoying undeserved benefits, or that rejects social programs on the basis that not all citizens deserve them, or that endorses the suppression of certain people's individual rights or civil liberties—violently if necessary—is often rooted in fascist philosophy. Fascism can be difficult to define and identify. This is partly because it is often modified to meet a specific fascist party's political goals and partly because it has many variations, many of which overlap with and arguably fit better into related ideologies such as socialism. Because of this vague categorization, considerable differences of opinion exist as to which governments qualify as truly fascist and which are instead some other system, such as right-wing dictatorships or authoritarian regimes—which are similar but do not follow fascist ideology." - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fascist-countries https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fascist-c...
pydry 4y ago
It's an attractive ideology for, well, society's humiliated losers, essentially. It typically calls itself anything else other than fascism when it reemerges but it shares all the same features. In the US e.g. use of the term "cuckservative" would probably signal that you align yourself with most of the tenets of a fascistic ideology even if you dont explicitly call yourself a fascist. If anything it's become a lot more popular over the last 15-20 years than ever before. No tiki torch marches in the 90s.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  So fascists are everywhere but they don't call themselves fascist and pretend they're not fascist but they're secretly fascist? If you genuinely believe this, why the secrecy? Why not just be out and open with it like the communists are?
  - pydry 4y ago
    Overt fascism tends to scare people away. Theyre all well aware of its image problem as they dogwhistle for far right authoritarian ultranationalism. Typically they do remain a disorganized mess (as could be expected for an ideology popular mainly with opportunists and losers) but every so often some rich person feels threatened or ambitious and throws money at them and organizes them into a militia or something. Thats when they transition from an unpleasant crowd to a genuinely terrifying threat. Neoliberals are likewise loath to actually call themselves neoliberals while they argue for privatising a publicly owned utility.

tayistay 4y ago

Fascism is authoritarian ultra-nationalism. Putin’s Russia fits easily. Various European leaders and parties fit to differing extents. Trump fits. Just like dictators call themselves presidents, fascists call themselves other things.

LAC-Tech 4y ago
I covered this in the OP: As far as I can tell it exists today only as an epithet
- orwin 4y ago
  Fascism is an extreme Bonapartism. It is authoritarian, and anti-republican. Anti-republicanism in practice: removing power from courts (especially supranational organs like the US supreme court), consolidating media power (aka removing or pushing to the fringe dissident media) and removing various transparency laws (in France, stuff like making sure the campaign accounting is public, or letting the public know the complete estate?(patrimoine) of the presidential candidates). You can in practice have a fascist semi-democracy or oligarchy. Another key point is that unlike Bonapartism, and like Nazism and Stalinism, Fascism don't use plebiscite that much, historically only at the start, to help consolidate its power. This make it quite different from Gaullism (which is a very moderate Bonapartism). While Fascism, unlike Nazism, is not expansionist, it still have racist undertone and can use the hierarchy of races to justify colonialism and neo-colonialism, and appartheid. Like other far-right ideologies, their myth can be resumed like this: "We (our ethnical/religious/cultural/national group) are the best in the world. But right now, we aren't at our rightful place. This is because these external groups (The French/the English/the Russians/the Chinese) are preventing us to reach it, aided by our internal enemies(The Gypsys/the Jews/the communists/the anarchists/the libs) that we have to render inoffensive by any mean." I do see some fascists nowadays, but this is true that they are less anti-republican than they used to be 80 years ago, so a new denomination might be necessary? Unless anti-republicanism is just an inheritance from Bonaparte and not as central as i thought?

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jrsj 4y ago

There’s definitely a sizable fringe community of fascists with outsized cultural influence online, but their line is more “fascism was good actually” than “real fascism hasn’t been tried yet”.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

Surely if no-one liked fashism, there wouod be no fashism?

throwaway787544 4y ago

"Today, few political parties openly describe themselves as fascist, and no openly fascist parties are currently in power as of 2022. However, fascism is far from extinct. France's fascist "Front National" won more than 25% of the country's vote in 2014, as did the Danish People's Party in Denmark. Moreover, the ongoing prominence of groups such as the Patriot Front in the United States, Greece's Golden Dawn party, and Hungary's Jobbik testify to the ideology's continued appeal to some individuals. Additionally, smaller-scale fascist movements exist in dozens of countries to this day. What's more, many modern-day political parties and governments avoid the fascist label but still incorporate fascist ideas into their platforms and strategies. Rhetoric that recalls a time when a country was a great empire but was brought down by certain people enjoying undeserved benefits, or that rejects social programs on the basis that not all citizens deserve them, or that endorses the suppression of certain people's individual rights or civil liberties—violently if necessary—is often rooted in fascist philosophy. Fascism can be difficult to define and identify. This is partly because it is often modified to meet a specific fascist party's political goals and partly because it has many variations, many of which overlap with and arguably fit better into related ideologies such as socialism. Because of this vague categorization, considerable differences of opinion exist as to which governments qualify as truly fascist and which are instead some other system, such as right-wing dictatorships or authoritarian regimes—which are similar but do not follow fascist ideology." - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fascist-countries https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fascist-c...

pydry 4y ago

It's an attractive ideology for, well, society's humiliated losers, essentially. It typically calls itself anything else other than fascism when it reemerges but it shares all the same features. In the US e.g. use of the term "cuckservative" would probably signal that you align yourself with most of the tenets of a fascistic ideology even if you dont explicitly call yourself a fascist. If anything it's become a lot more popular over the last 15-20 years than ever before. No tiki torch marches in the 90s.

LAC-Tech 4y ago
So fascists are everywhere but they don't call themselves fascist and pretend they're not fascist but they're secretly fascist? If you genuinely believe this, why the secrecy? Why not just be out and open with it like the communists are?
- pydry 4y ago
  Overt fascism tends to scare people away. Theyre all well aware of its image problem as they dogwhistle for far right authoritarian ultranationalism. Typically they do remain a disorganized mess (as could be expected for an ideology popular mainly with opportunists and losers) but every so often some rich person feels threatened or ambitious and throws money at them and organizes them into a militia or something. Thats when they transition from an unpleasant crowd to a genuinely terrifying threat. Neoliberals are likewise loath to actually call themselves neoliberals while they argue for privatising a publicly owned utility.