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> Some doctors earn around one million USD a year in the U.S, that's money that makes insurance more expensive and unaffordable for everyone. You're seriously

> Some doctors earn around one million USD a year in the U.S, that's money that makes insurance more expensive and unaffordable for everyone. You're seriously not comparing yourself to physicians in level of importance in Society, are you?! As I said, after COVID we got a real wake up call of who mattered, and Nurses and Physicians deserve every penny that they get, its the system that is broken: see Stanford nurse strike. Moreover, it's actually not the physician salaries that keep things unaffordable, but the over-pricing of every bloated expense, procedure, medication, drug etc... that keeps it at those levels and simply because they can. Believe me, I just did 2 MRIs that I put off for several years because of COVID, physicians who I met before COVID who were doing well, and are probably better of financially now then before have been run-down significantly and they all had the same tells of using amphetamines/cocaine that I saw in my undergrad as pre-med students and bio students did the same courses. The real blame is at the administrative level, and accounting not the physician or nurse level. My MRI required that 2 specialists sign off on it before the Insurance approved it and everyone took a cut, such that by the time I got my MRI it was actually less (in the 1000s) than the 2 specialist visits to get that one MRI. I did this once again for my 2nd one and the same thing. I also got an EMG in 2019 and had to go for another one, it didn't matter that I had significant atrophy and weakness, not that I was approved for one before when it wasn't as bad as it is now. I had to go through the same process and everyone got their cut. So, again... no you're embellishing YOUR value if you think you are comparing apples to apples, its simply not the same thing at all. And none of you were working double shifts in an ER or Urgent care when COVID was at it's peak, or the large amount of attempted or successful suicides as lockdown, so really, get some perspective. You work on computeres, and many of you boast about really only doing 4 hours of work a day, the fact that you're posts counts are as high and still complaining about salary is testament of this very facade. And no, I don't agree, the 'system' was not based on greed, you chose to make it about greed because so many other have as well and is another matter entirely, because most physicians and some nurses are drowning in debt by the time they get to earning a decent salary. I agree they should optimize for that given those circumstances and many have after COVID and those who haven't are jumping ship or leaving the Industry all together, which is why we should pay them whatever they deserve/ask for (within reason, of course) to retain them. People aren't even aware of how many nurses are simply over the job entirely and will be quitting in masse.

nradov 4y ago
No one deserves anything beyond basic human rights. I have great respect for the work done by doctors, but other countries pay doctors far less and still achieve better health outcomes. As a society, are we getting a good value for our money?
gmadsen 4y ago
what a weird statement. Would doctors be as valuable without modern tech or medicine? I don't view any group as some sort of elite class, gracing the rest of us with their existence.
- Melting_Harps 4y ago
  > what a weird statement. Would doctors be as valuable without modern tech or medicine? I don't view any group as some sort of elite class, gracing the rest of us with their existence. False equivalence, and this is akin to one asking if you would be where you are if electricity ever got invented. It's all built on someone's else's shoulders, and the fact that you can say this underscores exactly what I mean. They save lives, you are one of many who push code that could potentially be of use to use to someone who does is not the same thing. It's only weird because it conflicts with your copium, you two are not the same thing and society doesn't rely on you as heavily as you think you do. > One of the fun things about MDs and dentists is that it's one of the only professions where the supply of those people is strictly controlled by the people who are in danger of being replaced. I'm aware of the AMA's practices, I did my undergrad with pre-meds; I know how the system works, That still doesn't change what I said, you weren't working doubles in an ER during COVID. You were likely at home working normal hours and on Zoom calls, you really can't compare the two professions at all. Just because the medical system itself is broken doesn't detract from what I said either, it's entirely broken and I explained my situation that I feel best reflects that with an anecdote, too. > No one deserves anything beyond basic human rights. I have great respect for the work done by doctors, but other countries pay doctors far less and still achieve better health outcomes. As a society, are we getting a good value for our money? See above. And just so it's clear the same goes for software developers; I think we can all agree that most coding interviews are a waste of time, and as most get more experience under their belt they are less tolerant of the absurdity of it all. That doesn't diminish the talent that exists in this Industry. Personally speaking it's something that I'm dreading about coming back into the tech Industry; I come from startup land as a founder, and my only interview at a tech firm was just the telling me about what project I'd be working on if I decided to join, they didn't even probe me for anything as I got head-hunted and they already did their research on me before they ever reached out. I'm pretty sure that will be the case this time around and sitting around white-boarding sounds like a total waste without more than 7 years in the Industry to me, too.

nradov 4y ago

No one deserves anything beyond basic human rights. I have great respect for the work done by doctors, but other countries pay doctors far less and still achieve better health outcomes. As a society, are we getting a good value for our money?

gmadsen 4y ago

what a weird statement. Would doctors be as valuable without modern tech or medicine? I don't view any group as some sort of elite class, gracing the rest of us with their existence.

Melting_Harps 4y ago
> what a weird statement. Would doctors be as valuable without modern tech or medicine? I don't view any group as some sort of elite class, gracing the rest of us with their existence. False equivalence, and this is akin to one asking if you would be where you are if electricity ever got invented. It's all built on someone's else's shoulders, and the fact that you can say this underscores exactly what I mean. They save lives, you are one of many who push code that could potentially be of use to use to someone who does is not the same thing. It's only weird because it conflicts with your copium, you two are not the same thing and society doesn't rely on you as heavily as you think you do. > One of the fun things about MDs and dentists is that it's one of the only professions where the supply of those people is strictly controlled by the people who are in danger of being replaced. I'm aware of the AMA's practices, I did my undergrad with pre-meds; I know how the system works, That still doesn't change what I said, you weren't working doubles in an ER during COVID. You were likely at home working normal hours and on Zoom calls, you really can't compare the two professions at all. Just because the medical system itself is broken doesn't detract from what I said either, it's entirely broken and I explained my situation that I feel best reflects that with an anecdote, too. > No one deserves anything beyond basic human rights. I have great respect for the work done by doctors, but other countries pay doctors far less and still achieve better health outcomes. As a society, are we getting a good value for our money? See above. And just so it's clear the same goes for software developers; I think we can all agree that most coding interviews are a waste of time, and as most get more experience under their belt they are less tolerant of the absurdity of it all. That doesn't diminish the talent that exists in this Industry. Personally speaking it's something that I'm dreading about coming back into the tech Industry; I come from startup land as a founder, and my only interview at a tech firm was just the telling me about what project I'd be working on if I decided to join, they didn't even probe me for anything as I got head-hunted and they already did their research on me before they ever reached out. I'm pretty sure that will be the case this time around and sitting around white-boarding sounds like a total waste without more than 7 years in the Industry to me, too.