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You can access Russian media and you can see Ukranian casualties too in many places. Russian state propaganda is mostly blocked, but not hard/illegal to circum

You can access Russian media and you can see Ukranian casualties too in many places. Russian state propaganda is mostly blocked, but not hard/illegal to circumvent.

aa-jv 4y ago
Got a link that supports the claim that Russia thought it would be done in days?
- Dma54rhs 4y ago
  What do you mean? It was a regular topic on Russian state tv shows (like the Solovyov one). Now they changed to tune claiming they fight the best military in Europe. I think a lot of the west was certain Ukraine goes to chaos and capitulation as well. If you don't care what TV says then the logistical nightmare Russia is having is a good proof they didn't prepare to wage war for very long. They might be corrupt but not retarded.
  - sdfhdhjdw3 4y ago
    The person you're responding to also said this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31338468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31338468 I'm afraid you're speaking to a committed ideologue. He made up his mind that everything Russia does is on purpose and a great victory.
    - aa-jv 4y ago
      Actually you are proving my point that the proclivity to infer - basically, make shit up - is contagious in conditions of mass censorship and hysteria. If the Russian state has made official proclamations to support the theories being presented here, it should be quite easy to refer to them. Anything else is just agitprop. You need to learn to recognize when you are actively participating in agitprop, clearly.
      - sdfhdhjdw3 4y ago
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    Television is not an official means of state communication. Whatever you are being told to think by talking heads on the idiot-box, the real truth of what the Russian state 'wants' exists in its decrees and orders. Got some of those to refer to? No? Then you are participating in agitprop, plain and simple.
    - nmeofthestate 4y ago
      >Television is not an official means of state communication. Not in democracies, no. But in Russia? The editorial line is handed down by the guys in charge.
      - aa-jv 4y ago
        BBC. ABC. MSNBC. CNN. All of them are fed editorial lines by TPTB. So? These are not the only sources of information, thankfully.
- wheelinsupial 4y ago
  There was an article published and then retracted on a Russian news website on February 28th saying that Ukraine has been returned to Russia. Some of it has been translated to English and circulated by western media: https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-state-news-published-an-article-saying-russia-defeated-ukraine-2022-2?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-state-news-published... Archived version in Russian from February 26th (special operation was declared on February 24th): https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20...

You can access Russian media and you can see Ukranian casualties too in many places. Russian state propaganda is mostly blocked, but not hard/illegal to circumvent.

aa-jv 4y ago

Got a link that supports the claim that Russia thought it would be done in days?

Dma54rhs 4y ago
What do you mean? It was a regular topic on Russian state tv shows (like the Solovyov one). Now they changed to tune claiming they fight the best military in Europe. I think a lot of the west was certain Ukraine goes to chaos and capitulation as well. If you don't care what TV says then the logistical nightmare Russia is having is a good proof they didn't prepare to wage war for very long. They might be corrupt but not retarded.
- sdfhdhjdw3 4y ago
  The person you're responding to also said this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31338468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31338468 I'm afraid you're speaking to a committed ideologue. He made up his mind that everything Russia does is on purpose and a great victory.
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    Actually you are proving my point that the proclivity to infer - basically, make shit up - is contagious in conditions of mass censorship and hysteria. If the Russian state has made official proclamations to support the theories being presented here, it should be quite easy to refer to them. Anything else is just agitprop. You need to learn to recognize when you are actively participating in agitprop, clearly.
    - sdfhdhjdw3 4y ago
- aa-jv 4y ago
  Television is not an official means of state communication. Whatever you are being told to think by talking heads on the idiot-box, the real truth of what the Russian state 'wants' exists in its decrees and orders. Got some of those to refer to? No? Then you are participating in agitprop, plain and simple.
  - nmeofthestate 4y ago
    >Television is not an official means of state communication. Not in democracies, no. But in Russia? The editorial line is handed down by the guys in charge.
    - aa-jv 4y ago
      BBC. ABC. MSNBC. CNN. All of them are fed editorial lines by TPTB. So? These are not the only sources of information, thankfully.
wheelinsupial 4y ago
There was an article published and then retracted on a Russian news website on February 28th saying that Ukraine has been returned to Russia. Some of it has been translated to English and circulated by western media: https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-state-news-published-an-article-saying-russia-defeated-ukraine-2022-2?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-state-news-published... Archived version in Russian from February 26th (special operation was declared on February 24th): https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20...