6 ms·

Here's a better source that isn't some weird blogspam/SEO-scheme website: https://electrek.co/2022/04/26/quantumscape-updates-q1-2022-report-includes-new-16-lay

by cyral 4y ago

Here's a better source that isn't some weird blogspam/SEO-scheme website: https://electrek.co/2022/04/26/quantumscape-updates-q1-2022-report-includes-new-16-layer-solid-state-cell-and-scaled-manufacturing/ https://electrek.co/2022/04/26/quantumscape-updates-q1-2022-...

dang 4y ago
Changed from https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/first-commercially-viable-lithium-metal-solid-state-battery-charges-to-80-in-just-15-minute https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/first-commercially-via.... Thanks!
nindalf 4y ago
Agree, this was much more readable.
riffraff 4y ago
very importantly, this mentions it's a "encouraging proof of concept", the original article made it seem as if this was going to hit the shelves next month.
- jillesvangurp 4y ago
  I've been following Quantumscape for a while. The reason they come up in conversations about solid state batteries a lot is because they regularly report on where they are as a company and because they are quite a bit further than a proof of concept. That's what they had a few years ago. At this point they are scaling the engineering of increasingly more complex battery samples and testing the hell out of those. Basically, they've been ramping up sample production for some time and have shipped battery samples to customers like Volkswagen who have independently verified their claims and are a major investor. In the last year they've upped the ambition level in terms of the number of layers in the battery, the number of charging cycles under conditions that would stress any battery, etc. They've been reporting steady progress every few months more or less on the previously announced schedule that they were planning to do so. Their near future plans involve a small test factory that is due to come online next year with small numbers of vehicles on the road by 2024/2025 time frame. Realistically volume production of this would not kick off until closer to the end of this decade. They've actually done a great job of managing expectations around what they do. Full disclosure: I bought some stock last year in this company and it dropped about 50% in value since then. So, not great. I'm holding onto the shares because I believe they are actually under valued currently. To me it looks like they have a high chance of getting to the market first with a working product that should deliver impressive safety, energy density, and charging speeds. I don't know of other solid state battery companies that are that close to having a market ready product. They have customers lining up (several major car brands). A healthy amount of liquidity to build factories and do more testing. And there's going to be a market for their batteries if they manage to ship working products. So far, everything I've heard about this company suggests that things are proceeding more or less as planned and that they remain on track to do hit their targets over the next few years. But I may have to wait a few years before that translates into the massive share price increase I'm expecting. It's a gamble and I don't recommend others to gamble. But I feel good about this one. Sandy Munro interviewed the CEO a few months ago on his Youtube channel. Worth a watch.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Seems like you have been 'scamed' by the 'solid state' hype. What matters is what the price is for most applications. And when you are actually competing on specs, silicon additives to current anodes batteries can achieve many of the same specs. And silicon additives can easily be added to existing giga-factories. While QS will need to invest 10s of billions if they want to match that. In my opinion by 2028 existing battery factories will spit out batteries with the specs QS claims at a lower price.
    - toss1 4y ago
      Very interesting - can you point me to sources on who is doing this successfully? Thanks!
      - panick21_ 4y ago
        What do you mean with 'this'? You mean silicon anodes ad additives? Just to start with, silicon has almost the a very high theoretical potential for an anode. Almost as high as lithium metal. Its not new, current a standard Tesla likely already have 5% silicon oxide in the anode. But to compete with what QS is planning you will needed higher % and likely a different form of silicon. Every large battery is working on silicon, it makes the battery cheaper and increases density. There are also a huge number of silicon startups. One example that is comparable to QS is Sila Nanotechnology. silanano.com Tesla is investing massively in silicon as well. They bought a number startups and doing a lot of development. I would suggest this playlist (just the silicon parts if you want): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyvdbTy3v1d5luwdDGPFPab9WWPmMW_cJ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyvdbTy3v1d5luwdDGPFP... On the same channel you can also find videos on QuantumScape that are very well researched. But just to be clear, I don't think its a 'scam'. I just think their valuation went insane for a company many years away from actually selling anything and huge investments to be made with large tech risk.
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
- Terry_Roll 4y ago
  I think we will be seeing more of this sort of news, I wondered how some university bods have got on since their last expose in the media with their endeavours because they had solved the fast charging heat problem which turns batteries into plastic explosives. Last I heard they were trying to get the process commercialised in a factory setting. So I think we will be seeing more of this type of news now, which is good because who doesn't like the acceleration of electric motors in vehicles if the weight can be kept down?
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  It's a Problem I see with a lot of blogspam articles - when it comes to battery tech, cures for $disease, discovery of "earth-like" planets, etc - they all make it look like they're about to hit shelves. But more often than not it's only in laboratory conditions, it's extrapolating a "what if" from a scientific paper, commercially unviable, or even straight up grifts trying to sell a patent or trying to get bought out by a big company like Tesla. I wish I could filter these very hypothetical links from HN somehow. At least the comments will point out the shared links are not the source and will link to better resources.
  - solarkraft 4y ago
    That's why I generally don't trust any news on these topics unless very thoroughly verified. @ everyone on these topics: Curb your enthusiasm. It's probably not going to happen. All of these "breakthroughs" have so far had one or more deal breaking down sides.
- asdman99 4y ago
  "as if this was going to hit the shelves next month." I must say that I did not get this impression.
causi 4y ago
I've seen a number of toxic/plagiaristic submissions from brighterside show up. Would be nice to add them to the list of spam/blocked domains.

by cyral 4y ago

dang 4y ago

Changed from https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/first-commercially-viable-lithium-metal-solid-state-battery-charges-to-80-in-just-15-minute https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/first-commercially-via.... Thanks!

nindalf 4y ago

Agree, this was much more readable.

riffraff 4y ago

very importantly, this mentions it's a "encouraging proof of concept", the original article made it seem as if this was going to hit the shelves next month.

jillesvangurp 4y ago
I've been following Quantumscape for a while. The reason they come up in conversations about solid state batteries a lot is because they regularly report on where they are as a company and because they are quite a bit further than a proof of concept. That's what they had a few years ago. At this point they are scaling the engineering of increasingly more complex battery samples and testing the hell out of those. Basically, they've been ramping up sample production for some time and have shipped battery samples to customers like Volkswagen who have independently verified their claims and are a major investor. In the last year they've upped the ambition level in terms of the number of layers in the battery, the number of charging cycles under conditions that would stress any battery, etc. They've been reporting steady progress every few months more or less on the previously announced schedule that they were planning to do so. Their near future plans involve a small test factory that is due to come online next year with small numbers of vehicles on the road by 2024/2025 time frame. Realistically volume production of this would not kick off until closer to the end of this decade. They've actually done a great job of managing expectations around what they do. Full disclosure: I bought some stock last year in this company and it dropped about 50% in value since then. So, not great. I'm holding onto the shares because I believe they are actually under valued currently. To me it looks like they have a high chance of getting to the market first with a working product that should deliver impressive safety, energy density, and charging speeds. I don't know of other solid state battery companies that are that close to having a market ready product. They have customers lining up (several major car brands). A healthy amount of liquidity to build factories and do more testing. And there's going to be a market for their batteries if they manage to ship working products. So far, everything I've heard about this company suggests that things are proceeding more or less as planned and that they remain on track to do hit their targets over the next few years. But I may have to wait a few years before that translates into the massive share price increase I'm expecting. It's a gamble and I don't recommend others to gamble. But I feel good about this one. Sandy Munro interviewed the CEO a few months ago on his Youtube channel. Worth a watch.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Seems like you have been 'scamed' by the 'solid state' hype. What matters is what the price is for most applications. And when you are actually competing on specs, silicon additives to current anodes batteries can achieve many of the same specs. And silicon additives can easily be added to existing giga-factories. While QS will need to invest 10s of billions if they want to match that. In my opinion by 2028 existing battery factories will spit out batteries with the specs QS claims at a lower price.
  - toss1 4y ago
    Very interesting - can you point me to sources on who is doing this successfully? Thanks!
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      What do you mean with 'this'? You mean silicon anodes ad additives? Just to start with, silicon has almost the a very high theoretical potential for an anode. Almost as high as lithium metal. Its not new, current a standard Tesla likely already have 5% silicon oxide in the anode. But to compete with what QS is planning you will needed higher % and likely a different form of silicon. Every large battery is working on silicon, it makes the battery cheaper and increases density. There are also a huge number of silicon startups. One example that is comparable to QS is Sila Nanotechnology. silanano.com Tesla is investing massively in silicon as well. They bought a number startups and doing a lot of development. I would suggest this playlist (just the silicon parts if you want): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyvdbTy3v1d5luwdDGPFPab9WWPmMW_cJ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyvdbTy3v1d5luwdDGPFP... On the same channel you can also find videos on QuantumScape that are very well researched. But just to be clear, I don't think its a 'scam'. I just think their valuation went insane for a company many years away from actually selling anything and huge investments to be made with large tech risk.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
Terry_Roll 4y ago
I think we will be seeing more of this sort of news, I wondered how some university bods have got on since their last expose in the media with their endeavours because they had solved the fast charging heat problem which turns batteries into plastic explosives. Last I heard they were trying to get the process commercialised in a factory setting. So I think we will be seeing more of this type of news now, which is good because who doesn't like the acceleration of electric motors in vehicles if the weight can be kept down?
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
It's a Problem I see with a lot of blogspam articles - when it comes to battery tech, cures for $disease, discovery of "earth-like" planets, etc - they all make it look like they're about to hit shelves. But more often than not it's only in laboratory conditions, it's extrapolating a "what if" from a scientific paper, commercially unviable, or even straight up grifts trying to sell a patent or trying to get bought out by a big company like Tesla. I wish I could filter these very hypothetical links from HN somehow. At least the comments will point out the shared links are not the source and will link to better resources.
- solarkraft 4y ago
  That's why I generally don't trust any news on these topics unless very thoroughly verified. @ everyone on these topics: Curb your enthusiasm. It's probably not going to happen. All of these "breakthroughs" have so far had one or more deal breaking down sides.
asdman99 4y ago
"as if this was going to hit the shelves next month." I must say that I did not get this impression.

causi 4y ago

I've seen a number of toxic/plagiaristic submissions from brighterside show up. Would be nice to add them to the list of spam/blocked domains.