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> I've never met the people who want these clownish surveillance things but they keep coming up anyways. Try looking past IT-affine circles, there the mindset

> I've never met the people who want these clownish surveillance things but they keep coming up anyways. Try looking past IT-affine circles, there the mindset of "nothing to hide, my info is not worth anything anyway" is shockingly prevalent. Particularly once the virtue signaling starts along the lines of "People who oppose this, support organized crime, terrorism and child abuse!", once these topics are brought up pretty much everybody has to fall in line, or risk being accused being one of those nasties. There is also a substantial part of the Zoomer generation that openly, and loudly, demand censorship, to hide those opinions online that don't fit their Overton window. Thanks to a decade of propaganda about disinformation by "social bots", relying on technology that ain't even a thing yet. People literally demanding to be protected from views that make them uncomfortable. And it's apparently not censorship because private corporations do it, the same corporations that dominate the majority of the online discourse these days. But who cares about details like that, when it's about protecting "democracy, freedom and the children"?

api 4y ago
I really hate to fall for zoomer stereotypes but I do get the feeling that this generation is (on average) broadly more open to all forms of authoritarianism. It seems to apply across the political spectrum with the zoomer right being NatCon/alt-right and the zoomer left being what you describe. They also seem comfortable with a lack of privacy in general and with hyper-centralization of businesses and services they use.
- freeflight 4y ago
  I mean, who can really blame them? Most of them only know the web in this centralized state [0], and most people older than them keep telling them how much progress, and how everything is so much better, with that "digital economy" revolving around a handful of fat unicorns. So from their perspective, it's easy to see it as the natural progression where things should head even more. [0] https://staltz.com/the-web-began-dying-in-2014-heres-how.html https://staltz.com/the-web-began-dying-in-2014-heres-how.htm...
mdp2021 4y ago
> risk being accused being one of those nasties "Risk"?! If in your environment that is part of survival, I encourage to reconsider the value of survival. Edit: interesting that this post, disparaging social conformity that would bow to the demands of what is low, was soon hit by a sniper - such silence is consistent with what a side disagreeing on such principle could look like.

api 4y ago

I really hate to fall for zoomer stereotypes but I do get the feeling that this generation is (on average) broadly more open to all forms of authoritarianism. It seems to apply across the political spectrum with the zoomer right being NatCon/alt-right and the zoomer left being what you describe. They also seem comfortable with a lack of privacy in general and with hyper-centralization of businesses and services they use.

freeflight 4y ago
I mean, who can really blame them? Most of them only know the web in this centralized state [0], and most people older than them keep telling them how much progress, and how everything is so much better, with that "digital economy" revolving around a handful of fat unicorns. So from their perspective, it's easy to see it as the natural progression where things should head even more. [0] https://staltz.com/the-web-began-dying-in-2014-heres-how.html https://staltz.com/the-web-began-dying-in-2014-heres-how.htm...

mdp2021 4y ago

> risk being accused being one of those nasties "Risk"?! If in your environment that is part of survival, I encourage to reconsider the value of survival. Edit: interesting that this post, disparaging social conformity that would bow to the demands of what is low, was soon hit by a sniper - such silence is consistent with what a side disagreeing on such principle could look like.