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American Dragnet – Data-Driven Deportation in the 21st Century

5 points by mjreacher 4y ago

anovikov 4y ago
My deep belief is that there must be zero tolerance policy to anyone who is within the nation's borders illegally, or tries to cross illegally. There must not be any "asylum seekers". Trying to cross the border without proper papers? You are not let in regardless of the story you tell. Crying to cross outside of designated point of entry? You get a bullet. Every section of the border must be marked, monitored and guarded 24x7 with personnel that shoots first and asks questions later: there may not possibly any legal reasons to cross outside of checkpoints. People must be checked in the streets, and yes racial profiling is perfectly OK in that process just to make it more efficient. Everyone must wear papers with them. These papers must contain biometric info and be checkable right on the spot. People caught without papers must be detained until they are able to prove they are in legally, on deported otherwise, or kept indefinitely if it is not knowable where to deport or no country would accept them - an equivalent of no-nonsense, no-paperwork lifetime sentence. There must be a sufficient supply for that - large, cheap to maintain, profitable gulag-style concentration camps. People brought illegally as children should not be exception, but their parents if caught must face a death sentence. And yes citizenship by birth must be scrapped in countries where it is still a thing, it will remove most of the motivation for illegal immigration in the first place. Illegal immigration is a crime. Always have been. People who defend criminals of this sort are doing it for morally corrupt, unjustifiable reasons (mainly because these people vote for them - and yes i believe a very strict voter ID, probably requiring two different federally issued picture IDs, one of them is biometric, checkable on site, must be required). It has to be stopped. And yes surely using innocent electronic methods to find and deport them is completely OK. It's not a problem if it's done on home soil: these people are foreign enemy.
- neuralRiot 4y ago
  Probably a DNA test to check ancestry would be a good idea too, anybody who isn’t 100% American should be deported. Leave the land to its real owners, Native Americans.
  - anovikov 4y ago
    Thing is, what i'm telling is the norm in most of the world, including many very democratic and prosperous countries with a strong middle class and whole set of civil liberties leftists in America would love to have. Yes sometimes there's border treaties between rich countries that make borders between them entirely transparent, but the outside borders with the poor world are strictly guarded, and people get checked in the streets, detained, deported and frequently shot, in all of EU, and both left-wing and right-wing political forces - including those that support full set of gay rights, abortions, socialised everything, green goals, and so on - are OK with that. I can't see why it should be any different in America.

5 points by mjreacher 4y ago

My deep belief is that there must be zero tolerance policy to anyone who is within the nation's borders illegally, or tries to cross illegally. There must not be any "asylum seekers". Trying to cross the border without proper papers? You are not let in regardless of the story you tell. Crying to cross outside of designated point of entry? You get a bullet. Every section of the border must be marked, monitored and guarded 24x7 with personnel that shoots first and asks questions later: there may not possibly any legal reasons to cross outside of checkpoints. People must be checked in the streets, and yes racial profiling is perfectly OK in that process just to make it more efficient. Everyone must wear papers with them. These papers must contain biometric info and be checkable right on the spot. People caught without papers must be detained until they are able to prove they are in legally, on deported otherwise, or kept indefinitely if it is not knowable where to deport or no country would accept them - an equivalent of no-nonsense, no-paperwork lifetime sentence. There must be a sufficient supply for that - large, cheap to maintain, profitable gulag-style concentration camps. People brought illegally as children should not be exception, but their parents if caught must face a death sentence. And yes citizenship by birth must be scrapped in countries where it is still a thing, it will remove most of the motivation for illegal immigration in the first place. Illegal immigration is a crime. Always have been. People who defend criminals of this sort are doing it for morally corrupt, unjustifiable reasons (mainly because these people vote for them - and yes i believe a very strict voter ID, probably requiring two different federally issued picture IDs, one of them is biometric, checkable on site, must be required). It has to be stopped. And yes surely using innocent electronic methods to find and deport them is completely OK. It's not a problem if it's done on home soil: these people are foreign enemy.

neuralRiot 4y ago
Probably a DNA test to check ancestry would be a good idea too, anybody who isn’t 100% American should be deported. Leave the land to its real owners, Native Americans.
- anovikov 4y ago
  Thing is, what i'm telling is the norm in most of the world, including many very democratic and prosperous countries with a strong middle class and whole set of civil liberties leftists in America would love to have. Yes sometimes there's border treaties between rich countries that make borders between them entirely transparent, but the outside borders with the poor world are strictly guarded, and people get checked in the streets, detained, deported and frequently shot, in all of EU, and both left-wing and right-wing political forces - including those that support full set of gay rights, abortions, socialised everything, green goals, and so on - are OK with that. I can't see why it should be any different in America.