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Isn't it enough to just have 2 servings of fatty fish a week? Why use pills?

by whitepaint 4y ago

piva00 4y ago
There are also people like me in the world, vegetarians...
- HellsMaddy 4y ago
  I take algae-derived DHA. Fatty fish get their omega-3 from algea, after all. As a benefit, the algea can be sustainably farmed in clean water, with no microplastics, heavy metals, or other contaminants. It's also not cruel! And the prices are pretty similar to fish oil!
  - cies 4y ago
    I take these too. Besides being more environment and animal friendly they also do not suffer from buildup of persistent chemicals that is quite an issue with fish and fish derived products.
  - bitexploder 4y ago
    No concerns with heavy metals and algae sourcing? Supplements tend to concentrate whatever is in the environment they were harvested from. It always feels like a struggle to find reputable supplement providers. I have settled on Thorne for most things.
    - SamBam 4y ago
      You're going to get far less heavy metals in algae than in fish. Supplements may concentrate things, but with fish you're adding concentration on top of concentration.
eurasiantiger 4y ago
Don’t eat fish. The microplastic levels are too high for human consumption, not to mention dioxins in farmed fish.
- cies 4y ago
  Almost all seafish is toxic even in small, weekly amounts. I think the main contributor to this is mercury, that was once used in industrial processes, which basically still all sits on the bottom of the sea (where many fish eat from).
  - claytongulick 4y ago
    The science of that is far from settled. There's evidence that mercury in fish accumulates from natural sources [1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031205053316.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031205053316.h...
- andrekandre 4y ago
  > The microplastic levels are too high for human consumption got any links?
  - eurasiantiger 4y ago
    There’s this service that allows you to find things by keyword. https://www.google.com/search?q=microplastic+in+fish https://www.google.com/search?q=microplastic+in+fish
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  Might as well not breathe the air, drink the water or eat anything sourced within 1000 miles of an industrial center. Good luck with that.
  - sinenomine 4y ago
    Arcologies may very well be the future. Owning a HEPA air filter and reverse osmosis water filter slowly becomes the norm in my circles.
    - staunch 4y ago
      What about the potential mineral leeching issue with RO? I use a RO filter and mix it with 30% glass bottled water, both for taste and in hopes of avoiding any potential issue with leeching. I searched a bit but found nothing useful on the topic.
francis-io 4y ago
As childish as I know this sounds, as a white male in my early 30s, I don't really eat fish. I like the occasional can of tuna, but thats it. It might be an aspergers thing with me about texture, but I don't like the bones. I also can't really eat solid fat on steaks for the same reason. I think chia seeds have a good source of omega 3, along with good quality grass fed meat, but not close to optimal amounts. These days I supplement with whole foods, desiccated and/or freeze dried and put in pill form. The cronometer app is great for seeing a whole day breakdown and looking for deficiencies, which showed me nearly 0% daily omega 3 without supplementation. I did hear somewhere that certain populations of people might not get the benefit of omega 3, and that the usually cited studies were done on populations with a long historical trend of eating mainly fish (I'm sorry, I don't have the study to hand, so I can't link it)
- eurasiantiger 4y ago
  Sorry for the diagnosis, but that avoidance of textures is a hallmark of ARFID (Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder) which is indeed common in people on the spectrum.
  - sandos 4y ago
    Having a daughter with this disorder I can just say that, its not childish. Her disorder has been referred to as "food phobia" which explains it fairly well: She does not like a lot of food, but she actually _wants_ to try taste it and get better. But even when doing that, it doesn't really work for 95% of food, she just wont get better at eating it. It was also mentioned that she is probably on the spectrum, but either she is very far down or she is very much a "girl" and hides it really well because she is diametrically different (play pretend is her favorite pastime, and also pretending to be others etc, also very social.) from how you are supposed to be on the spectrum, but in some ways she shows it in a classic way (change is very hard).
    - seti0Cha 4y ago
      A lot of the stereotypes around AS are just that. I have two sons on the spectrum and both have traits they are "not supposed" to have and yet strongly evidence other traits so that the diagnosis is clear. In my experience this is even more the case for females. That said, the "food phobia" you describe is by no means restricted to ASD.
ID1452319 4y ago
The article mentions a dose of 2.2g/day LC-n3-FA, whereas a mackerel fillet contents 4g in one piece - therefore, it seems not.
francisofascii 4y ago
Maybe because 2-3 servings is on the low end of ideal. If we didn't have mercury in our fish, we could eat more. Just speculating here.
reactspa 4y ago
Does anyone know what happens to the fish this oil is extracted from? If it's sold to us, it wouldn't have any oil in it, now, would it?
sinenomine 4y ago
I avoid getting my omega from fish because it contains mercury and other "forever chemicals". There are suppliers of high-purity DHA omega 3 and that's good enough for me.
- ryandvm 4y ago
  You should eat sardines and other small fish. They eat plankton and krill and other tiny things and therefore do not bioaccumulate the nasty stuff like mercury and PCBs. https://www.webmd.com/diet/canned-sardines-good-for-you https://www.webmd.com/diet/canned-sardines-good-for-you
  - Melatonic 4y ago
    This is the right answer Supplements have risk of bioaccumulation just like animals much higher up the food chain - small fish and bottom of the food chain animals is often a very safe and sustainable bet.
    - mdp2021 4y ago
      Some supplements (I was told) do perform treatments to eliminate mercury etc.

Isn't it enough to just have 2 servings of fatty fish a week? Why use pills?

piva00 4y ago

There are also people like me in the world, vegetarians...

HellsMaddy 4y ago
I take algae-derived DHA. Fatty fish get their omega-3 from algea, after all. As a benefit, the algea can be sustainably farmed in clean water, with no microplastics, heavy metals, or other contaminants. It's also not cruel! And the prices are pretty similar to fish oil!
- cies 4y ago
  I take these too. Besides being more environment and animal friendly they also do not suffer from buildup of persistent chemicals that is quite an issue with fish and fish derived products.
- bitexploder 4y ago
  No concerns with heavy metals and algae sourcing? Supplements tend to concentrate whatever is in the environment they were harvested from. It always feels like a struggle to find reputable supplement providers. I have settled on Thorne for most things.
  - SamBam 4y ago
    You're going to get far less heavy metals in algae than in fish. Supplements may concentrate things, but with fish you're adding concentration on top of concentration.

eurasiantiger 4y ago

Don’t eat fish. The microplastic levels are too high for human consumption, not to mention dioxins in farmed fish.

cies 4y ago
Almost all seafish is toxic even in small, weekly amounts. I think the main contributor to this is mercury, that was once used in industrial processes, which basically still all sits on the bottom of the sea (where many fish eat from).
- claytongulick 4y ago
  The science of that is far from settled. There's evidence that mercury in fish accumulates from natural sources [1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031205053316.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/031205053316.h...
andrekandre 4y ago
> The microplastic levels are too high for human consumption got any links?
- eurasiantiger 4y ago
  There’s this service that allows you to find things by keyword. https://www.google.com/search?q=microplastic+in+fish https://www.google.com/search?q=microplastic+in+fish
adamsmith143 4y ago
Might as well not breathe the air, drink the water or eat anything sourced within 1000 miles of an industrial center. Good luck with that.
- sinenomine 4y ago
  Arcologies may very well be the future. Owning a HEPA air filter and reverse osmosis water filter slowly becomes the norm in my circles.
  - staunch 4y ago
    What about the potential mineral leeching issue with RO? I use a RO filter and mix it with 30% glass bottled water, both for taste and in hopes of avoiding any potential issue with leeching. I searched a bit but found nothing useful on the topic.

francis-io 4y ago

As childish as I know this sounds, as a white male in my early 30s, I don't really eat fish. I like the occasional can of tuna, but thats it. It might be an aspergers thing with me about texture, but I don't like the bones. I also can't really eat solid fat on steaks for the same reason. I think chia seeds have a good source of omega 3, along with good quality grass fed meat, but not close to optimal amounts. These days I supplement with whole foods, desiccated and/or freeze dried and put in pill form. The cronometer app is great for seeing a whole day breakdown and looking for deficiencies, which showed me nearly 0% daily omega 3 without supplementation. I did hear somewhere that certain populations of people might not get the benefit of omega 3, and that the usually cited studies were done on populations with a long historical trend of eating mainly fish (I'm sorry, I don't have the study to hand, so I can't link it)

eurasiantiger 4y ago
Sorry for the diagnosis, but that avoidance of textures is a hallmark of ARFID (Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder) which is indeed common in people on the spectrum.
- sandos 4y ago
  Having a daughter with this disorder I can just say that, its not childish. Her disorder has been referred to as "food phobia" which explains it fairly well: She does not like a lot of food, but she actually _wants_ to try taste it and get better. But even when doing that, it doesn't really work for 95% of food, she just wont get better at eating it. It was also mentioned that she is probably on the spectrum, but either she is very far down or she is very much a "girl" and hides it really well because she is diametrically different (play pretend is her favorite pastime, and also pretending to be others etc, also very social.) from how you are supposed to be on the spectrum, but in some ways she shows it in a classic way (change is very hard).
  - seti0Cha 4y ago
    A lot of the stereotypes around AS are just that. I have two sons on the spectrum and both have traits they are "not supposed" to have and yet strongly evidence other traits so that the diagnosis is clear. In my experience this is even more the case for females. That said, the "food phobia" you describe is by no means restricted to ASD.

ID1452319 4y ago

The article mentions a dose of 2.2g/day LC-n3-FA, whereas a mackerel fillet contents 4g in one piece - therefore, it seems not.

francisofascii 4y ago

Maybe because 2-3 servings is on the low end of ideal. If we didn't have mercury in our fish, we could eat more. Just speculating here.

reactspa 4y ago

Does anyone know what happens to the fish this oil is extracted from? If it's sold to us, it wouldn't have any oil in it, now, would it?

sinenomine 4y ago

I avoid getting my omega from fish because it contains mercury and other "forever chemicals". There are suppliers of high-purity DHA omega 3 and that's good enough for me.

ryandvm 4y ago
You should eat sardines and other small fish. They eat plankton and krill and other tiny things and therefore do not bioaccumulate the nasty stuff like mercury and PCBs. https://www.webmd.com/diet/canned-sardines-good-for-you https://www.webmd.com/diet/canned-sardines-good-for-you
- Melatonic 4y ago
  This is the right answer Supplements have risk of bioaccumulation just like animals much higher up the food chain - small fish and bottom of the food chain animals is often a very safe and sustainable bet.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    Some supplements (I was told) do perform treatments to eliminate mercury etc.