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Yes, the fairly obvious limit of going somewhere the US doesn't have an extradition treaty with. In Snowden's case: Russia. Which I personally wouldn't be thril
by kemayo 4y ago
Yes, the fairly obvious limit of going somewhere the US doesn't have an extradition treaty with. In Snowden's case: Russia. Which I personally wouldn't be thrilled to do, but the options are limited.
Here's the countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradit...
It's not hard, in theory, but it does rather limit your movements going forward.
- throwaway48375 4y agoThere are a good number of grey countries on that map I suspect they would just rendition you from.
- Scoundreller 4y agoLots of misrepresentation going on here. An extradition treaty merely facilitates things. You can have protections despite a treaty (e.g. France for its own citizens, ever!) and you could still be extradited if there isn’t one (there just isn’t an agreed upon mechanism for how to do it).
- kergonath 4y agoBefore someone assumes this is a dirty European protectionist trick, the US do not extradite their citizens either.
- boeingUH60 4y agoNo, they (rarely) do Here’s a recent example - https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56248558 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56248558
- kergonath 4y agoYou’re right, every treaty is a different beast and there are no absolutes. But the general principle is Further, 18 U.S.C. 3181 and 3184 permit the United States to extradite, without regard to the existence of a treaty, persons (other than citizens, nationals or permanent residents of the United States), who have committed crimes of violence against nationals of the United States in foreign countries. https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-15000-international-extradition-and-related-matters#9-15.100 https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-15000-international-extradit... If the applicable treaty or convention does not obligate the United States to extradite its citizens to a foreign country, the Secretary of State may, nevertheless, order the surrender to that country of a United States citizen whose extradition has been requested by that country if the other requirements of that treaty or convention are met. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3196 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3196
- Scoundreller 4y agoThose seem to be the mechanisms to extradite in the absence of a treaty. No point in having laws about treaties because ratified treaties trump the law (is my understanding).
- forty 4y agoYeah I think that's a pretty common thing to do. Outside of US and some EU countries, I know Carlos Ghosn is famously hiding in Lebanon where he is a citizen.
- jcranberry 4y agoDoes any country extradite their own citizens?
- Scoundreller 4y agoMost do/will. Unless you have an ironclad constitutional protection against it, there’s an extradition risk for citizens in their own country.
- sgt101 4y agoGo to Russia and have a use for the authorities there, or have a lever/debt of gratitude. I genuinely don't know where Snowden sits on that - I think he serves as a useful demonstration of the power of Russia and the failings of the US, but obviously know nothing. On the other hand, a failed crypto bro who has taken oligarch money and can't repay it with interest. I think that is going to be the very definition of a "Russian Holiday".