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Why are these things as effective as they are in the ukrain-russian war? Don't these things show up on radar and therefor vulnerable to conventional anti air de

by wrnr 4y ago

Why are these things as effective as they are in the ukrain-russian war? Don't these things show up on radar and therefor vulnerable to conventional anti air defence. Before the start of the war experts where warning that russia could lock down the air space of the whole of europe. These single propeller planes can not be as fast as jet engines and need to be almost on top of their target to drop bombs on them? What is preventing Russia from building these things in the thousands and I don't know patrol the skies of eastern ukrain with it?

robonerd 4y ago
> Don't these things show up on radar I'm sure they do, but they're quite small and mostly made out of composites that are fairly transparent to radar. Their radar cross section must be very small compared to a gen 4 jet fighter. > What is preventing Russia from building these things in the thousands and I don't know patrol the skies of eastern ukrain with it? Money, corruption, inertia, brain drain...
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  > Their radar cross section must be very small compared to a gen 4 jet fighter. Still not less than the most of missiles (engine, ordnance). The real problem is what it is not some video game, you don't have a "satellite view" with enemy units outlined with a red rectangles. Eg S300 was designed in 70s, it's UI/UX is eye-watering.
outworlder 4y ago
> What is preventing Russia from building these things in the thousands and I don't know patrol the skies of eastern ukrain with it? You need to build them, you need to train operators, you need to deploy said operators. They are not autonomous. A better question is, if Russia's electronic warfare capabilities are so amazing, how are the drones even able to operate? We'll probably find out that the capabilities were either overstated, or not deployed nearly enough to matter. Pretty sure some AA battery money went to Yacht upkeep.
- blagie 4y ago
  My suspicion is that the Russian weapons and munitions are fine, but that there isn't any coordination, integration, management, or planning. If I'm sitting at an S400, and I see a radar blip, I probably don't know if it's GA, commercial aviation, news helicopter, Russian military plane returning, or a Ukrainian drone. I just know something's flying. This is all speculation based on how I expect the governments there work. I suspect that if the Ukrainians wanted Russian munitions, they'd just need to wander over in Russian uniforms, and pick some up...
andrewflnr 4y ago
It seems a big problem, if not the main problem, is crappy training and other prep on the Russian side.
imtringued 4y ago
These drones dropped like flies in Libya. It is actually very surprising how successful they have been.
- johnthewise 4y ago
  They had some problems initially but completely won the battle after that, especially when they brought in some EW equipment. I have some second hand knowledge that Baykar engineers were very busy constantly tuning the Tb2s.

by wrnr 4y ago

robonerd 4y ago

> Don't these things show up on radar I'm sure they do, but they're quite small and mostly made out of composites that are fairly transparent to radar. Their radar cross section must be very small compared to a gen 4 jet fighter. > What is preventing Russia from building these things in the thousands and I don't know patrol the skies of eastern ukrain with it? Money, corruption, inertia, brain drain...

justsomehnguy 4y ago
> Their radar cross section must be very small compared to a gen 4 jet fighter. Still not less than the most of missiles (engine, ordnance). The real problem is what it is not some video game, you don't have a "satellite view" with enemy units outlined with a red rectangles. Eg S300 was designed in 70s, it's UI/UX is eye-watering.

outworlder 4y ago

> What is preventing Russia from building these things in the thousands and I don't know patrol the skies of eastern ukrain with it? You need to build them, you need to train operators, you need to deploy said operators. They are not autonomous. A better question is, if Russia's electronic warfare capabilities are so amazing, how are the drones even able to operate? We'll probably find out that the capabilities were either overstated, or not deployed nearly enough to matter. Pretty sure some AA battery money went to Yacht upkeep.

blagie 4y ago
My suspicion is that the Russian weapons and munitions are fine, but that there isn't any coordination, integration, management, or planning. If I'm sitting at an S400, and I see a radar blip, I probably don't know if it's GA, commercial aviation, news helicopter, Russian military plane returning, or a Ukrainian drone. I just know something's flying. This is all speculation based on how I expect the governments there work. I suspect that if the Ukrainians wanted Russian munitions, they'd just need to wander over in Russian uniforms, and pick some up...

andrewflnr 4y ago

It seems a big problem, if not the main problem, is crappy training and other prep on the Russian side.

imtringued 4y ago

These drones dropped like flies in Libya. It is actually very surprising how successful they have been.

johnthewise 4y ago
They had some problems initially but completely won the battle after that, especially when they brought in some EW equipment. I have some second hand knowledge that Baykar engineers were very busy constantly tuning the Tb2s.