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Food chains are a natural occurrence. It's the default way and if your disagreement with that is a biological maladaptation. But if you're only vegan for health
by Bancakes 4y ago
Food chains are a natural occurrence. It's the default way and if your disagreement with that is a biological maladaptation. But if you're only vegan for health reasons, that's respectable.
There is no sufferosphere, the supposed suffering is intangible. These farm animals were born to eat, reproduce, and be eaten - they had no higher purpose, and without humans wouldn't exist in the first place.
- empiricus 4y agoUnfortunately, it does not mean that the natural way is a good way...
- Bancakes 4y agoMillions of years of evolution proved that it's a good way for different animals. It's only recently that Big Carb tries to paint our ancestors as unhealthy goons. Granted that was tongue in cheek but we can see how easy it is to push experimental food on the market with margarine, spam, and other crap.
- adrianN 4y ago"Big Carb" is what allowed human population to grow to billions.
- Bancakes 4y agoOkay, and you can argue we were naturally never supposed to be in the billions. You can argue if global warming wipes out our farms, we can only blame ourselves, and demographic crashes are a given, not a crysis.
- adrianN 4y agoI'm not particularly religious, so I don't know about "supposed to be", but I see no ethical way of significantly reducing human population quickly enough for it to matter for climate change. It is much easier to change our behavior to reduce environmental impact. Switching everyone to a carnivore diet to spite "Big Carb" is certainly not the right direction.
- Bancakes 4y agoI'm not suggesting a change in diet at all, I'll continue to be omnivore as will my kids. This will lead to catastrophe but that's life.
- imtringued 4y agoThere were two billion humans on the planet before "big carb". People used to eat things like butter without fear of cholesterol and they didn't even suffer the heart attacks that avoiding cholesterol was supposed to prevent.
- adrianN 4y agoHumans have been getting most of their calories from grains essentially since we invented agriculture, thousands of years before the population reached even one billion.
- mort96 4y agoWhat's "Big Carb"? Even everything you've derided as "experimental food" is mainly fats and proteins, not carbohydrates?
- Bancakes 4y agoI gave an example of experimental foods being pushed as cheap substitutes for the real thing, and how quickly society accepted them. I'm postulating that's what's happening with the trend of veganism.
- zarzavat 4y agoRainforests are also a natural occurrence and burning them down to create more bovines is decidedly non-natural.
- EdwardDiego 4y agoDefinitely agree. There's sustainable animal husbandry, and unsustainable. But eating meat doesn't inexorably lead to cutting down rainforests, Brazilian farmers will also happily cut them down to plant GM-free soya, which attracts a premium in the US and European markets over the bulk of soya farmed in the US. The problem is far vaguer and harder to solve than "eat less meat." I can't even properly frame it beyond "something something globalisation, something something no easy route to monetise leaving the Amazon standing as a carbon sink".
- lrem 4y agoI used to think that. But if you look closer at the life of current industry-farmed livestock, that is _not_ a life to be enjoyed. Sure, you can get proper happy beef. Say [1]. But then, you're looking at about $35 per pound. [1]: https://www.coop.ch/en/food/meat-fish/packaged-fresh-meat/beef/coop-rinds-rumpsteak-xl-1-stueck/p/6023143 https://www.coop.ch/en/food/meat-fish/packaged-fresh-meat/be...