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FYI here's the thread where tuple parameters were removed. https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/thread/LDSQZYLO6E5YG3HSN3MY4BX5CXF73K4Y/

by tln 4y ago

FYI here's the thread where tuple parameters were removed. https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/thread/LDSQZYLO6E5YG3HSN3MY4BX5CXF73K4Y/#WXPLAKXU7VO33KJSBH5UBR5TFJQPXY6C https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/...

klyrs 4y ago
> So the short answer is: yes, we are attached to it, we will miss it. No guarantees about throwing fits, though <wink>. Observe: me, throwing a fit.
- carapace 4y ago
  I cursed and swore for twenty full minutes when they removed tuple unpacking from parameters. God that pissed me off. Sure, I was one of only a handful of people who ever used it, and it had it's warts, but it was so elegant.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    >>> Hey, we don't like this feature anymore, is anybody using it?" >> Yes, we're using it" > Okay, it's gone" [rage] The one thing I agree with in the thread is the confusion of foo = lambda (x,y): x+y foo(1,2) #boom I think a better approach would be to raise warnings when sole parameters are parenthesized, unless written as foo = lambda (x,y),: x+y which is kinda gross, but cogent with the weirdness of singletons: a, = [1] b = (1,) c = 1, Alas, I've never had Guido's ear, so I shout into the void.
raymondh 4y ago
People who respect the law and love sausage should never watch either of them being made ;-) The referenced thread isn't Python's finest hour. A: "Hey, this feature is slightly inconvenient to implement in AST, let's kill it." B: "Many users haven't heard of this, so let's kill it." C: "I find it useful and there's not real advantage in killing it". A&B: "Okay, it's gone". Really, you're better-off just enjoying a language that is mostly nice and mostly well-designed. Don't read the development threads. It will spoil the illusion.
- sitkack 4y ago
  If only it had been used in Django. Similar thing about adding animated png support in Firefox, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257197 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257197 Petabytes of bandwidth wasted, and probably gigawatts of electricity. This like google internal behavior leaking out in the real world. Actively user hostile or at least indifferent.

by tln 4y ago

klyrs 4y ago

> So the short answer is: yes, we are attached to it, we will miss it. No guarantees about throwing fits, though <wink>. Observe: me, throwing a fit.

carapace 4y ago
I cursed and swore for twenty full minutes when they removed tuple unpacking from parameters. God that pissed me off. Sure, I was one of only a handful of people who ever used it, and it had it's warts, but it was so elegant.
- klyrs 4y ago
  >>> Hey, we don't like this feature anymore, is anybody using it?" >> Yes, we're using it" > Okay, it's gone" [rage] The one thing I agree with in the thread is the confusion of foo = lambda (x,y): x+y foo(1,2) #boom I think a better approach would be to raise warnings when sole parameters are parenthesized, unless written as foo = lambda (x,y),: x+y which is kinda gross, but cogent with the weirdness of singletons: a, = [1] b = (1,) c = 1, Alas, I've never had Guido's ear, so I shout into the void.

raymondh 4y ago

People who respect the law and love sausage should never watch either of them being made ;-) The referenced thread isn't Python's finest hour. A: "Hey, this feature is slightly inconvenient to implement in AST, let's kill it." B: "Many users haven't heard of this, so let's kill it." C: "I find it useful and there's not real advantage in killing it". A&B: "Okay, it's gone". Really, you're better-off just enjoying a language that is mostly nice and mostly well-designed. Don't read the development threads. It will spoil the illusion.

sitkack 4y ago
If only it had been used in Django. Similar thing about adding animated png support in Firefox, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257197 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257197 Petabytes of bandwidth wasted, and probably gigawatts of electricity. This like google internal behavior leaking out in the real world. Actively user hostile or at least indifferent.