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I'm one of those misfits/troublemakers/etc. I've done my life mostly on my terms, and I've had it really tough. Conformists generally get it much easier. I'm al

I'm one of those misfits/troublemakers/etc. I've done my life mostly on my terms, and I've had it really tough. Conformists generally get it much easier. I'm all for more independent thought and fuck-you-ness but never forget that for most people that comes at a high price, so take off the rose-tinted specs.

nvrspyx 4y ago
That was a direct quote from Steve Jobs, except the last bit at the bottom. The whole point of the comment, I think, is how this goes against the old Apple ethos of encouraging non-conformity (to an extent).
- hn_version_0023 4y ago
  Is that a quote from Jobs, or ad copy, or both?
  - stavros 4y ago
    It's ad copy, AFAIK.
    - herewego 4y ago
      By the Chubb ad agency, I believe. There’s an old video of Jobs introducing the ad where he briefly mentions it.
- notpachet 4y ago
  It was ad copy, written by Rob Siltanen for that campaign[1]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/onmarketing/2011/12/14/the-real-story-behind-apples-think-different-campaign/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/onmarketing/2011/12/14/the-real...
  - nvrspyx 4y ago
    My mistake. I should've been more diligent. I knew it was associated with Apple and the first result on DDG associated it with Jobs.
throwawayboise 4y ago
Yep, I was just about to comment that this kind of decision is a lot easier to make when you have the fuck-you money that Goodfellow doubtless has.
- smugma 4y ago
  I wouldn’t say he has FYM yet. Enough to maybe FIRE but more than cash, he’s in a position where almost any tech or related company would hire him, pay him a ton, and let him work on what he wants to do. Essentially, tenure at a university but paid 10X as much.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  I certainly don't have "fuck you money", but these days I think most competent tech workers can easily get jobs elsewhere, so I don't think it's a big, risky move to quit your job.
hooande 4y ago
here's to you, good luck in your journey. make it worth it "If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is." - Charles Bukowski
- zasdffaa 4y ago
  I don't know if it's worth it. It's the way I am and I seem to have as much choice over it as ivy chooses growing up a wall. I've never been hungry by choice and I've always had a roof over my head, and I'm grateful for both of those things, but let's look at something I do know: "..could mean losing ... maybe even your mind" Yeah, BTDT. A lifetime of mental health problems culminating in a complete ... I dunno, breakdown? ... where I was barely able to function for 2 years and became a risk to others (should have been hospitalised but wasn't), and another 2 years recovering. 4 years of my life wasted. Any projected glamour of mental illness is purely done by those who've never had it. Mental illness is fucking shit and has no redeeming value. Edit: oh yes, and "Isolation is the gift" - Never is loneliness a gift, ever.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    > and has no redeeming value Hmm, the one redeeming value of my anxiety (and the accompanying fear of imminent death) is that it makes it much easier to contemplate things I wouldn’t otherwise contemplate. I’d still rather do without that, but I guess it’s interesting enough I can call it redeeming?
    - zasdffaa 4y ago
      I suppose it depends. A redeeming feature of death is you never again wake up with a stinking hangover. You can find a positive everywhere I suppose. I don't know.
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nvrspyx 4y ago

That was a direct quote from Steve Jobs, except the last bit at the bottom. The whole point of the comment, I think, is how this goes against the old Apple ethos of encouraging non-conformity (to an extent).

hn_version_0023 4y ago
Is that a quote from Jobs, or ad copy, or both?
- stavros 4y ago
  It's ad copy, AFAIK.
  - herewego 4y ago
    By the Chubb ad agency, I believe. There’s an old video of Jobs introducing the ad where he briefly mentions it.
notpachet 4y ago
It was ad copy, written by Rob Siltanen for that campaign[1]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/onmarketing/2011/12/14/the-real-story-behind-apples-think-different-campaign/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/onmarketing/2011/12/14/the-real...
- nvrspyx 4y ago
  My mistake. I should've been more diligent. I knew it was associated with Apple and the first result on DDG associated it with Jobs.

throwawayboise 4y ago

Yep, I was just about to comment that this kind of decision is a lot easier to make when you have the fuck-you money that Goodfellow doubtless has.

smugma 4y ago
I wouldn’t say he has FYM yet. Enough to maybe FIRE but more than cash, he’s in a position where almost any tech or related company would hire him, pay him a ton, and let him work on what he wants to do. Essentially, tenure at a university but paid 10X as much.
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
I certainly don't have "fuck you money", but these days I think most competent tech workers can easily get jobs elsewhere, so I don't think it's a big, risky move to quit your job.

hooande 4y ago

here's to you, good luck in your journey. make it worth it "If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is." - Charles Bukowski

zasdffaa 4y ago
I don't know if it's worth it. It's the way I am and I seem to have as much choice over it as ivy chooses growing up a wall. I've never been hungry by choice and I've always had a roof over my head, and I'm grateful for both of those things, but let's look at something I do know: "..could mean losing ... maybe even your mind" Yeah, BTDT. A lifetime of mental health problems culminating in a complete ... I dunno, breakdown? ... where I was barely able to function for 2 years and became a risk to others (should have been hospitalised but wasn't), and another 2 years recovering. 4 years of my life wasted. Any projected glamour of mental illness is purely done by those who've never had it. Mental illness is fucking shit and has no redeeming value. Edit: oh yes, and "Isolation is the gift" - Never is loneliness a gift, ever.
- Aeolun 4y ago
  > and has no redeeming value Hmm, the one redeeming value of my anxiety (and the accompanying fear of imminent death) is that it makes it much easier to contemplate things I wouldn’t otherwise contemplate. I’d still rather do without that, but I guess it’s interesting enough I can call it redeeming?
  - zasdffaa 4y ago
    I suppose it depends. A redeeming feature of death is you never again wake up with a stinking hangover. You can find a positive everywhere I suppose. I don't know.

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