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Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond
by thr0wawayf00 4y ago
Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do...
...as long as it's done from the office.
- jjtheblunt 4y agoThe office is where the very expensive labs are. For at least parts of Apple engineering, very expensive equipment and prototypes are under lockdown and too expensive to duplicate for WFH. (at least that's how it was during my several years there.)
- earth2mars 4y agoPeople are smart enough ( I'm sure there is a hiding bar at these companies) to go to the office if they require access to certain equipment which they cannot take home. Why impose a rule that doesn't make sense.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y agoI don't think anyone (or, at least not many people) is arguing against working in the office if you have a specific need to be there. What people have an issue with is requiring a return to the office for no other reason than "group synergy".
- analog31 4y agoIronically, "group synergy" was given as the reason for cramming people into the open plan offices that everybody was glad to get away from.
- labster 4y ago“Group synergy” where “group” means “reduced real estate cost” and “synergy” means “fnord.”
- whatshisface 4y agoSynergy means multiplication instead of addition when things are put together, like male and female oxen. You put them together in an open office and more oxen are sure to be produced.
- oceanghost 4y agoDo you ever notice the guys pushing the group synergy, generally have big offices?
- ethbr0 4y agoAverage office size : average cube size An underrated ratio for measuring corporate inequality.
- oceanghost 4y agoI like this a LOT.
- andreareina 4y agoBold of you to assume they even have cubes
- smackeyacky 4y agoThis guy is doing machine learning though. All he needs is an internet connection. I understand the idea that hardware WFH is going to be a no-go, but software? We already had the revolutionary moment where the internet is everywhere.
- jjtheblunt 4y agoThat's not established without knowing if they're working on neural engine hardware, for example.
- imustbeevil 4y agoWe can probably infer from the fact that they've been remote for 2 years that it is possible to do their job remotely.
- discordance 4y agoCould also be the other way. It could be that he wasn’t doing his job well remotely and hence the push to get him in.
- whatever1 4y agoBut why ML people have to be forced in the office ?
- jjtheblunt 4y agohard to say, perhaps access to future dev hardware accelerators (neural engines)
- enneff 4y agoI think it’s fair to say that the people asking to be allowed to WFH know they can do their job properly while WFH.
- discordance 4y agoHe’s a director and is most likely supposed to be an example. “If the director isn’t coming in then why should I?”
- ethbr0 4y agoPer his phrasing, part of the reason he's quitting is to be an example. > "I believe strongly that more flexibility would have been the best policy for my team," Goodfellow said in the email.
- Someone1234 4y agoWell, why should you? Nobody in that department needs to be at the office.
- discordance 4y agoTotally. Just trying to look at it from Apple’s return to office perspective, regardless of whether it’s appropriate or not.
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- lizknope 4y agoI work for a large semiconductor company and during the pandemic the test engineers in the lab and IT staff were the only ones allowed into the office for the first year. Even the test engineers were allowed to take a lot of lab equipment home with them. The CEO did an all hands where he shared pics of all the lab people testing and evaluating chips at home.
- ddingus 4y agoHaving a home lab is awesome! In my case it is hobby fun rapidly turning professional. The way to fund hobby / new work is to get your investment at home to pay for itself. Free tools and gear essentially. Early on, as I picked up skills and scored deals on equipment, I ended up able to take side gigs and or take on special projects. Sometimes I would do these on a "keep the gear" basis. No money changes hands. Recommended. Pros: Picking up new skills Research on ones interest and terms Flex time working is possible Reduced commute Work when ideation is high tide, so to speak Cons: It can be expected to work more Personal / company boundaries are less clear (IP and overwork) Can be expensive Need space Summary: Personally, I have always had a lab at home, and I rarely take company gear home. Sometimes I have, but I try to buy my own, or the gear from the company. I have had to make a few career jumps and the next one has pretty much been made possible by what I had at home and what I could do with it. Be very careful about IP. The reward for that caution can be a real opportunity for you. It can be the place where you show young people stuff they would never see otherwise and or, until much later. This happened for me as a teen and it was a huge boost! And it was where home lab started for me. My bedroom was my shop. Of course, you gotta sort this for your scene too. The CEO letting people take gear home is nice and maybe a non issue for people. Depends on what one is doing and or plans to do. Overall though, I deffo recommend doing it.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago>The office is where the very expensive labs are. I know right. I mean to be able to test his his AI algorithms, instead of just walking into the supercomputer room with a briefcase full of punchcards he would either have to make a long distance trip or else FedEx in his punchcards(and expose Apple to the risk of losing them or having them leak). Sorry, this is 2022 and we have high speed Internet and networked computers. And we don’t have to physically load punchcard into then supercomputer.
- jjtheblunt 4y agoDoes your snark apply if he was working on development hardware for upcoming "Neural Engine" in a lab?
- systemvoltage 4y agoYou have to wear pajamas to live by those words! Btw that quote is describing the potential customers of Apple, not employees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMBhDv4sik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMBhDv4sik
- daenz 4y agoIs that why apple store employees are called "geniuses" ?
- thr0wawayf00 4y ago> Btw that quote is describing the potential customers of Apple, not employees Why does that matter? Does Apple not want the most talented, world-changing people working on their products? If your marketing sounds good for customers but dumb for employees, particularly in knowledge-driven work, then maybe your marketing is just hypocritical?
- nyx 4y agoDo marketers care whether their marketing is intellectually honest? Maybe that matters if the people you're marketing to are very discerning or cynical, but I'm not sure I'd put the typical Apple customer in that bucket. As long as the marketing gets people to consume the product, I don't think it matters if it's stupid or if it's lies. My guess is that people who work for Apple do it more because of the giant FAANG salary and the social cachet than because of the product marketing.
- Austin_Conlon 4y agoIn a talk Craig Federighi gave, he said some of his most inventive work was done remotely with his NeXT Cube in a cabin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sjym5ZS68&t=677s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sjym5ZS68&t=677s.
- temp8964 4y agoThis sounds great. Maybe Apple thinks it can find someone else can do the same job in office. Also they can't just make exceptions for "talented" people, I guess.
- ethbr0 4y agoNo, Apple has a proud tradition of firing talented people, running the company into the ground, then rehiring the same people via acquisition.
- elpakal 4y agoUm, > running the company into the ground how so?
- Mountain_Skies 4y agoBy putting the former head of Pepsi in charge, letting him push out Jobs, and then putting the company in such a dire financial situation that when they rehired Jobs, he had to go to Microsoft for a bailout.
- zasdffaa 4y agoI'm one of those misfits/troublemakers/etc. I've done my life mostly on my terms, and I've had it really tough. Conformists generally get it much easier. I'm all for more independent thought and fuck-you-ness but never forget that for most people that comes at a high price, so take off the rose-tinted specs.
- nvrspyx 4y agoThat was a direct quote from Steve Jobs, except the last bit at the bottom. The whole point of the comment, I think, is how this goes against the old Apple ethos of encouraging non-conformity (to an extent).
- hn_version_0023 4y agoIs that a quote from Jobs, or ad copy, or both?
- notpachet 4y agoIt was ad copy, written by Rob Siltanen for that campaign[1]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/onmarketing/2011/12/14/the-real-story-behind-apples-think-different-campaign/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/onmarketing/2011/12/14/the-real...
- nvrspyx 4y agoMy mistake. I should've been more diligent. I knew it was associated with Apple and the first result on DDG associated it with Jobs.
- passivate 4y ago>but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, Honestly such people are extremely rare. The quote doesn't apply to the vast majority of employees at Apple. There are always going to be other talented people willing to take their spot.
- CamperBob2 4y ago"Also, be careful with that hammer, you might trip and fall and break the screen." Not the same company anymore... not even close.
- iab 4y agoRebels, but WITHIN REASON
- ben_w 4y agoRebels with a pension scheme?
- speed_spread 4y agoRebels with a Costco member card!
- VectorLock 4y agoRebels with RSUs.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoTouche. It's so silly- in the Marines we would say, "adapt and overcome." Jarheads are smarter than all of you? Suck it up and get it done.
- gorjusborg 4y agoYes, Apple management will have to suck it up. They set the policy, their employees vote with their feet.
- ThrowITout4321 4y ago
- BurningFrog 4y agoThat slogan was from 1997. A quarter century later, Apple is a very different company. As it should be.
- MichaelMoser123 4y agoi think Steve Job said that, it may have been part of his clever marketing. He was very good at it. He probably had to think differently when he got in charge of a big corporation...
- rmbyrro 4y agoTheir revenues and profits are in a historical low. Remote work is a scam. The company must return to the office, otherwise they'll go bankrupt in months. Tim Cook is so wise to save Apple with this move.
- craigmcnamara 4y agoHow is remote work a scam? Engineers don’t need a schmuck like you bothering them in person to do great work. Work from home gives everyone a private office, focus and quiet.
- rmbyrro 4y ago
- throwaway743 4y agoLol
- gorjusborg 4y agoI've found people's views on remote work say more about their personal ethics than universal truth. People who would (or do) slack off without direct oversight think everyone is that way. They don't understand that the people in these positions are highly motivated, driven people. These people aren't Homer Simpson.
- systemvoltage 4y agoRemote work allows lazy employees to stay unmonitored. If you wanted to hear non-BS truth from me. Otherwise, we can all continue to pretend.
- dennis_jeeves1 4y agoAmen. Corollary: all you conformists who like rules and structure, you are the useless peasantry.