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Quite a big loss for Apple. Ian was the primary author of the 2014 GAN paper. https://arxiv.org/abs/1406.2661 https://arxiv.org/abs/1406.2661
by skunkworker 4y ago
Quite a big loss for Apple. Ian was the primary author of the 2014 GAN paper.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1406.2661 https://arxiv.org/abs/1406.2661
- machinekob 4y agoGood researcher != good director/team leader.
- supernova87a 4y agoI can tell you from direct experience that he is no big loss for Apple. And he wasn't "Apple's Director of ML" as in the headline makes it sound like the top company lead for this topic. He was a director, among many. A reasonably sized group leader, not say, a JG.
- daniel-thompson 4y agoCan you elaborate on this.
- cardy31 4y agoI assume he just thinks Siri sucks?
- jackblemming 4y agoGANs were just low hanging fruit that Schmidhuber already found. By most accounts Ian Goodfellow is kind of an asshole, and there was some drama about him a few times over the years. I don’t know the man, that’s just what I’ve heard.
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- gwern 4y agoIf Schmidhuber had really found everything he says he found, the Singularity would've happened decades ago.
- carapace 4y agoYou know, if it were anyone else I would probably ignore this comment, but you seem to do your homework, to put it mildly. Are you saying he's, uh, misrepresenting himself? (I like Schmidhuber but I'm not knowledgeable enough to really evaluate his work or claims.)
- curuinor 4y agohe's had a decades-long tendency to just say that stuff has been invented before, sometimes by him, sometimes by obscure russians, that one time by Gauss. sometimes he's right, more of the time he's materially wrong, all of the time he's got no social sense.
- woodson 4y agoTo be fair, it’s not just him. Whenever I gave a poster at a conference, there was a chance that someone with a Russian sounding name would call the work trivial and say they had already published it in the nineties ;). Of course, on closer inspection that was not the case. I don’t fully understand the tendency to do so, but it appears to be fairly widespread.
- anothernewdude 4y agoSo he was a good culture fit for apple then?
- tasubotadas 4y agoIs there anything that schmidhuber hasn't done before everyone else?
- iXce 4y agoI guess citations do not directly translate into products?
- nathanvanfleet 4y agoThe implication I thought was that his credits might have ended in 2014
- ensan 4y agoNo, especially in fields that have as much citations and papers on average as ML/DL/RL. If a paper in any other field was cited 44k in ~8 years, it must have made life-changing discoveries. Maybe some of the early papers on COVID-19 will reach that number.
- supernova87a 4y agoLet's just say that is it correct that he is still known for his 2014 GAN work.
- daenz 4y agoIt must be difficult to repeat the success of a once-in-a-lifetime finding.
- mumblemumble 4y agoI didn't take it to mean that, exactly. GANs are a very impressive trick. But their social cachet is not, as far as I'm aware, in proportion to people's success at using them for practical applications that generate revenue. So the implication might be, "Don't expect a brain drain in Apple's GAN department to have a significant impact on their business fortunes."
- yeahwhatever10 4y agoYou think GANs are once in a lifetime?
- daenz 4y agoGiven its impact on ML, for a single person to discover, yes.
- serenitylater 4y ago
- bogwog 4y agoAnonymously trashing someone on the internet like this is pathetic.
- make3 4y agohe's also known for single handedly starting the field of adversarial examples, which is a huge field. he basically started two fields. he's huge
- humanistbot 4y ago"Director of Machine Learning" is different than "A director of a machine learning project." "Director of Machine Learning" kind of implies that he oversaw a lot of machine learning projects across the company. Being "a director of a machine learning project" means you run a team. Big difference.
- sidibe 4y agoLikewise when he left Google for Apple the media painted him as the director of Google AI
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- LigmaYC 4y agoYou take bureaucratic rankings too seriously, Goodfellow has a reputation outside of Apple.
- nvr219 4y agoGreat point, Ligma.
- Salgat 4y agoCompanies typically hire these people to bolster their reputation and draw in new talent. It's the same reason companies keep hiring a guy like Guido van Rossum, even if they don't really care how productive he is.
- mellosouls 4y agoThe first publication of the GAN idea appears to have been by a non-academic in his blog. https://stats.stackexchange.com/a/301280 https://stats.stackexchange.com/a/301280 https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/bnqm0p/d_gans_were_invented_in_2010/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/bnqm0p/d_g...