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> Mercedes-Benz Cars says it plans to release “Drive Pilot,” a conditionally automated Level 3 system for automated driving I think it's pretty irresponsible t

> Mercedes-Benz Cars says it plans to release “Drive Pilot,” a conditionally automated Level 3 system for automated driving I think it's pretty irresponsible to publish a picture of a driver taking his eyes off the road to play Tetris on a system designed for Level 3.

MBCook 4y ago
“Level 3 autonomous driving, as defined by SAE International, means that the driver can hand over control to the vehicle, but must be ready to take over when prompted” (from an EU car site) At level 3 the driver no longer has to constantly monitor the road, but they can’t exactly go to sleep because they need to be ready to take over in a few seconds. Given that the image seems reasonable.
- microtherion 4y ago
  In the specific case of the Mercedes-Benz system, if the driver does not take over in a timely manner, the car will find a safe place to come to a stop, activate the emergency lights, and unlock the doors, so you'd probably live even if you did fall asleep: https://group.mercedes-benz.com/documents/innovation/other/2019-02-20-vssa-mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-a.pdf https://group.mercedes-benz.com/documents/innovation/other/2...
SheinhardtWigCo 4y ago
Not if the system is designed to achieve a minimal risk condition by itself or give the driver sufficient warning to take over. Level 3 includes systems that can handle an emergency situation but require the driver to respond within some limited time.
freeflight 4y ago
That's pretty much the definition of level 3; > In certain situations, the driver can turn attention away from the road, but most always be ready to take full control again. https://www.blickfeld.com/blog/levels-of-autonomous-driving/ https://www.blickfeld.com/blog/levels-of-autonomous-driving/
stubish 4y ago
Germany has defined what Level 3 means to them. The driver needs to be able to take control within 10 seconds. If the car can't wait 10 seconds for the driver to stop playing and pay attention to the alert, it isn't Level 3 (in Germany). It can't be cowboy level 3 where you are still driving with your hands on the wheel and foot over the break pedal waiting for the software to stuff up.

MBCook 4y ago

“Level 3 autonomous driving, as defined by SAE International, means that the driver can hand over control to the vehicle, but must be ready to take over when prompted” (from an EU car site) At level 3 the driver no longer has to constantly monitor the road, but they can’t exactly go to sleep because they need to be ready to take over in a few seconds. Given that the image seems reasonable.

microtherion 4y ago
In the specific case of the Mercedes-Benz system, if the driver does not take over in a timely manner, the car will find a safe place to come to a stop, activate the emergency lights, and unlock the doors, so you'd probably live even if you did fall asleep: https://group.mercedes-benz.com/documents/innovation/other/2019-02-20-vssa-mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-a.pdf https://group.mercedes-benz.com/documents/innovation/other/2...

SheinhardtWigCo 4y ago

Not if the system is designed to achieve a minimal risk condition by itself or give the driver sufficient warning to take over. Level 3 includes systems that can handle an emergency situation but require the driver to respond within some limited time.

freeflight 4y ago

That's pretty much the definition of level 3; > In certain situations, the driver can turn attention away from the road, but most always be ready to take full control again. https://www.blickfeld.com/blog/levels-of-autonomous-driving/ https://www.blickfeld.com/blog/levels-of-autonomous-driving/

stubish 4y ago

Germany has defined what Level 3 means to them. The driver needs to be able to take control within 10 seconds. If the car can't wait 10 seconds for the driver to stop playing and pay attention to the alert, it isn't Level 3 (in Germany). It can't be cowboy level 3 where you are still driving with your hands on the wheel and foot over the break pedal waiting for the software to stuff up.