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And the Windows Terminal team reeks of this. There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart because they're reimplementing something both Linux and macO

And the Windows Terminal team reeks of this. There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart because they're reimplementing something both Linux and macOS had for *years*, as if the whole world of CLI was waiting for their savior.

ethbr0 4y ago
When CMD is your benchmark... (In all fairness, PowerShell has a lot of good ideas)
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  Yeah it is far superior to cmd. But I mean cmd was frozen in the 90s it seems anyway.
- Narishma 4y ago
  cmd is a shell. The old terminal is called conhost I think.
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    I figured I'd get this from someone. ;) I'm approximating that 99% of people who use Windows use default terminals for built-in legacy shells, and thus effectively analogous terminology. You're correct though!
- thaway2839 4y ago
  I get the feeling that there's a bunch of people working for, or being paid by, Microsoft who really love functional programming. Some of Microsoft's best outputs comes from those teams/folks. It could just be a coincidence/confirmation bias, so I wonder if there's actually something to that.
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    If you care about programming enough to really have preferences on things like functional or OO or other kinds of "deep" topics, then you're invested.
  - mananaysiempre 4y ago
    > I get the feeling that there's a bunch of people working for, or being paid by, Microsoft who really love functional programming. Simon Peyton Jones, Simon Marlow, Edward Kmett, Conal Elliott, and I’m sure a lot of other people with fundamental contributions to the Haskell ecosystem who I can’t remember offhand all work or previously worked at Microsoft Research, so that part is just straightforwardly true.
- kevinmgranger 4y ago
  Are PowerShell and Windows Terminal the same team?
miiiiiike 4y ago
I can’t speak to that. I’ve pretty much Linux only since 1999, but, of the times I’ve used PowerShell, I’ve like it.
- juki 4y ago
  Windows Terminal is a separate project from PowerShell. It's just a terminal that you can use with different shells (including PowerShell). I have no idea what their blog posts are saying, but at least I've always found it pretty nice.
  - behnamoh 4y ago
    PS has been pretty slow though. I’ve liked the fact that you can pipe objects, but it seems to slow down the startup time of the shell.
    - juki 4y ago
      True, the slow startup is annoying (especially if you load modules in your profile), but overall I still think it's better than the alternatives. I usually just keep a terminal window always open.
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- rascul 4y ago
  PowerShell is available for Linux if you want to use it more without Windows.
anothernewdude 4y ago
The whole world of CLI has been using a poor open source reimplementation of linux subsystems on windows for decades.
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KennyBlanken 4y ago
> There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart Have you read Casey's twitter feed? The man routinely goes into long twitter thread rants about how stupid everyone else is. His favorite target seems to be...drumroll please...large corporation software teams.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  > rants about how stupid everyone else is. > His favorite target seems to be...drumroll please...large corporation software teams. To be fair, that's... not unreasonable. I've thought unkind things about large corporate software teams while I was working at said large corp.
- phaistra 4y ago
  > rants about how stupid everyone else is. > His favorite target seems to be...drumroll please...large corporation software teams. I missed the part where he is wrong.
  - trapnii 4y ago
    the part where "he" is wrong, is the part where he tells everyone that his reference software can be compared to a real terminal. You cannot compare shoes with towels, nor cats with a TV. The tiling renderer "he" wrote as part of the reference software to demo isn't that bad as a product (to some degree), but that piece of software is garbage, as it has zero use. And almost none of the techniques "he" brags about can be applied to a real terminal. I mean, I like being educated. But so far, noone of the internet fanboys "he" has, has so far ever provided a real product out of his reference software. Admitted, some people tried (just look around), but they all failed. I wonder why. Do you know it?
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > the part where "he" is wrong, is the part where he tells everyone that his reference software can be compared to a real terminal He very clearly states that his implementation is a terminal renderer. > And almost none of the techniques "he" brags about can be applied to a real terminal Elsewhere one of the people from the screenshots says "we implemented the same approach" because these techniques can be and have been applied. Both in Windows Terminal and, as I understand it, in every single modern terminal emulator.
mananaysiempre 4y ago
> There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart because they're reimplementing something both Linux and macOS had for years It doesn’t really read like that for me, more of a look at this cool thing we made with an undercurrent of fucking finally, and that seems entirely fair.
digisign 4y ago
s/years/multiple decades/

ethbr0 4y ago

When CMD is your benchmark... (In all fairness, PowerShell has a lot of good ideas)

stjohnswarts 4y ago
Yeah it is far superior to cmd. But I mean cmd was frozen in the 90s it seems anyway.
Narishma 4y ago
cmd is a shell. The old terminal is called conhost I think.
- ethbr0 4y ago
  I figured I'd get this from someone. ;) I'm approximating that 99% of people who use Windows use default terminals for built-in legacy shells, and thus effectively analogous terminology. You're correct though!
thaway2839 4y ago
I get the feeling that there's a bunch of people working for, or being paid by, Microsoft who really love functional programming. Some of Microsoft's best outputs comes from those teams/folks. It could just be a coincidence/confirmation bias, so I wonder if there's actually something to that.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  If you care about programming enough to really have preferences on things like functional or OO or other kinds of "deep" topics, then you're invested.
- mananaysiempre 4y ago
  > I get the feeling that there's a bunch of people working for, or being paid by, Microsoft who really love functional programming. Simon Peyton Jones, Simon Marlow, Edward Kmett, Conal Elliott, and I’m sure a lot of other people with fundamental contributions to the Haskell ecosystem who I can’t remember offhand all work or previously worked at Microsoft Research, so that part is just straightforwardly true.
kevinmgranger 4y ago
Are PowerShell and Windows Terminal the same team?

miiiiiike 4y ago

I can’t speak to that. I’ve pretty much Linux only since 1999, but, of the times I’ve used PowerShell, I’ve like it.

juki 4y ago
Windows Terminal is a separate project from PowerShell. It's just a terminal that you can use with different shells (including PowerShell). I have no idea what their blog posts are saying, but at least I've always found it pretty nice.
- behnamoh 4y ago
  PS has been pretty slow though. I’ve liked the fact that you can pipe objects, but it seems to slow down the startup time of the shell.
  - juki 4y ago
    True, the slow startup is annoying (especially if you load modules in your profile), but overall I still think it's better than the alternatives. I usually just keep a terminal window always open.
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rascul 4y ago
PowerShell is available for Linux if you want to use it more without Windows.

anothernewdude 4y ago

The whole world of CLI has been using a poor open source reimplementation of linux subsystems on windows for decades.

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KennyBlanken 4y ago

> There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart Have you read Casey's twitter feed? The man routinely goes into long twitter thread rants about how stupid everyone else is. His favorite target seems to be...drumroll please...large corporation software teams.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
> rants about how stupid everyone else is. > His favorite target seems to be...drumroll please...large corporation software teams. To be fair, that's... not unreasonable. I've thought unkind things about large corporate software teams while I was working at said large corp.
phaistra 4y ago
> rants about how stupid everyone else is. > His favorite target seems to be...drumroll please...large corporation software teams. I missed the part where he is wrong.
- trapnii 4y ago
  the part where "he" is wrong, is the part where he tells everyone that his reference software can be compared to a real terminal. You cannot compare shoes with towels, nor cats with a TV. The tiling renderer "he" wrote as part of the reference software to demo isn't that bad as a product (to some degree), but that piece of software is garbage, as it has zero use. And almost none of the techniques "he" brags about can be applied to a real terminal. I mean, I like being educated. But so far, noone of the internet fanboys "he" has, has so far ever provided a real product out of his reference software. Admitted, some people tried (just look around), but they all failed. I wonder why. Do you know it?
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > the part where "he" is wrong, is the part where he tells everyone that his reference software can be compared to a real terminal He very clearly states that his implementation is a terminal renderer. > And almost none of the techniques "he" brags about can be applied to a real terminal Elsewhere one of the people from the screenshots says "we implemented the same approach" because these techniques can be and have been applied. Both in Windows Terminal and, as I understand it, in every single modern terminal emulator.

mananaysiempre 4y ago

> There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart because they're reimplementing something both Linux and macOS had for years It doesn’t really read like that for me, more of a look at this cool thing we made with an undercurrent of fucking finally, and that seems entirely fair.

digisign 4y ago

s/years/multiple decades/