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His 16-year-old son, also an American citizen (born in Colorado), was executed by drone two weeks later. His 8-year-old daughter, another American citizen, was
by akhmatova 4y ago
His 16-year-old son, also an American citizen (born in Colorado), was executed by drone two weeks later. His 8-year-old daughter, another American citizen, was executed in 2017 under order by Donald Trump, with a bullet to the neck.
There is no evidence that either of these were targetted killings, let alone "executions". And it is intellectually dishonest to suggest otherwise.
- tsol 4y agoWhether it's targeted or not, it's an execution. There have been countless civilian deaths, claiming it's unintentional is like driving into a park and saying you didn't target anyone so it wasn't murder.
- akhmatova 4y agoIt's like driving into a park and saying you didn't target anyone so it wasn't murder. Don't know what to tell you, other than that's not the way the English language works. Regardless of your feelings about the moral and geopolitical aspects of the situation -- the verbs "to murder" and "to execute" obviously mean very different things, in plain functional terms. That's all there is to it.
- ncmncm 4y agoYou can play whatever word games you like, but blood is on the hands of everybody who was in a position not to do it, who did anyway. And, on everybody whose job it is to prosecute them, and has not. The President is nowhere assigned any legal authority to waste US citizens on his own say-so, so everybody involved participated in what is, by strictest legal definition, a murder. There were accessories before the fact, and after, with copious documentary evidence.
- akhmatova 4y agoYou can play whatever word games you like I'm not playing word games about anything. And it seems you're getting weirdly hostile about something completely straightforward and basically trivial.
- PhileasNietzche 4y agoYou're the head of an organization. We'll call it one of the most complex and wide-reaching organisation in the world. You have multiple organisations under your umbrella responsible for evaluating and handling threats to your organisation and personnel. They're staffed by hundreds, if not thousands, of people who have been performing that specific mission since long before you became CEO. Those people present to you a list and make very convincing arguments that these are all threats that must be removed. Like any other CEO, you have dozens of equally-, less- and more-important items on your agenda. I'd forgive even the monumentally-stupid Donald J. Trump for it, glad that I am not the one who has to make that decision.
- tsol 4y agoSomething tells me you wouldn't forgive a foreign power for killing your children on account of "[having] dozens of equally-, less- and more-important items on [their] agenda". I mean even to say that you had a lot of more important things going on than worrying about accidently killing innocent American citizens.. says a lot. It's not spilled milk
- tsol 4y agoMy point is that they have effectively the same outcome-- death. The only difference between murder and execution is one is against the law, and the other is by the law. So what you're saying is the president didn't execute anyone, but he did murder someone. I fail to see how that is better
- Supermancho 4y ago> I fail to see how that is better There was never a question about the comparative effect on the victims. The issue is that execution and murder are different. Replacing one term with the other as if they are interchangeable is dishonest. Specifically, this tactic is posed to evoke an emotional reaction and implies the victim was targeted specifically. I don't actually need to explain this to you, as you already know it, but (often paired with ncmncm) disregard it in some perverse trolling exercise.
- akhmatova 4y agoI fail to see how that is better If you walk up to my initial comment (which everyone seems to have forgotten about) - it had nothing to do with whether one was "better" than the other. But rather, and exactly as stated in that comment: it was about the blatantly dishonest attempt, in the parent comment, to portray the situation as something that it obviously wasn't.
- ncmncm 4y agoYet, it was. His kids'deaths were at best negligent homicide. For which we also charge felonies.
- yucky 4y agoWould you say it's intellectual dishonest to say this without acknowledging the father (a natural born US citizen) absolutely was a targeted killing? Because that is not in dispute - https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-i... so by leaving that out you appear to be diminishing the fact that President Obama ordered the assassination of a US Citizen, something never done in US history.
- akhmatova 4y agoNo, because that's an (obviously) very muddled and slippery line of reasoning you're trying to get me to agree to there.
- yucky 4y agoAlright, let's try it this way. Since I'm not the person that claimed the children were part of a targeted assassination, let's focus on Anwar Al-Awlaki. 1 - Was he, or was he not, intentionally assassinated by the Obama Administration? 2 - Was he or was he not a US citizen? 3 - Is that, or is that not an extrajudicial assassination?
- akhmatova 4y agoLet's focus on Anwar Al-Awlaki. I wasn't talking about Anwar Al-Awlaki. I was talking about what happened to his children. So sorry, but I will not be able to join you on whatever semantic buggy ride it is you're trying to pull me onto.
- yucky 4y ago>I wasn't talking about Anwar Al-Awlaki No, you intentionally ignored the entire point of the OP. And you did that because it is a case where President Obama ordered the assassination of a US citizen, and that citizen stayed on his hit list for 18 months until he was killed, despite his family begging the US government the entire time to charge him with a crime so that he could have his day in court. https://www.internationalcrimesdatabase.org/Case/935/Al-Aulaqi-v-Obama-et-al/ https://www.internationalcrimesdatabase.org/Case/935/Al-Aula...