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Wish you could change the key combo for this, I've been using a long-abandoned tool called Zooom2 to do this with `fn` (and `fn` + `control` to resize`) and fea

Wish you could change the key combo for this, I've been using a long-abandoned tool called Zooom2 to do this with `fn` (and `fn` + `control` to resize`) and fear losing it on my next Mac if it's an M1.

brandonhorst 4y ago
You can do exactly this with BetterTouchTool. You can also set it up with Hammerspoon.
- mistersquid 4y ago
  > You can do exactly this with BetterTouchTool. Zooom2 allows for moving/resizing of background windows. Last I checked, BetterTouchTool window manipulation required clicking the window which brings it to the front.
  - dbalatero 4y ago
    This free Hammerspoon plugin will also resize background windows: https://github.com/dbalatero/SkyRocket.spoon/ https://github.com/dbalatero/SkyRocket.spoon/
  - evan_ 4y ago
    It's actually configurable in BTT whether you bring the window to the front. You don't need to click, just hold down modifier keys.
urbandw311er 4y ago
I do this all the time via BetterTouchTool. Don’t know where I would be without it.
nico_h 4y ago
Using an M1 right now and Zooom/2 still works.
- mistersquid 4y ago
  > Using an M1 right now and Zooom/2 still works. Same, but Rosetta 2 won't be around forever. Dreading the day Zooom/2 stops working and I can't find a replacement that lets one move and resize background windows.
drewg123 4y ago
This is exactly when I can't deal with a mac as a desktop. My 30 year old muscle memories created in the late 80s with TWM use alt (on a std kbd, would be cmd on mac) + mouse button 1..3 to move, resize and iconify windows. Kde supports this, ldxe supports this, etc. I tried and abandoned using a mac as a desktop ~15 years ago because I didn't have this feature, and I didn't have true focus-follows-mouse. I don't want to use some app that could be abandoned and end up like the parent, this kind of configurability should be a core OS feature. Oddly, on a latop its fine, I somehow have a different set of muscle memories for touchpads.
- Tepix 4y ago
  It sucks when you're unable to overcome old habits...
  - drewg123 4y ago
    It sucks when UI designers don't provide ways to configure software..
    - SebastianKra 4y ago
      Reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/ I acknowledge that I'm still young, but I feel like Apple is introducing changes at a good pace. UI elements and layouts have stayed consistent. [^1] Radical changes are usually confined to single apps, and if there is a f*up like Safari 15, they provide a fallback option and quickly revise their decision. Providing endless backwards-compatibility only bloats the interface and makes it harder to learn for new users. The goal must be slow but steady progress, so that everyone can adapt. [^1]: The best example is probably System Preferences: https://www.versionmuseum.com/history-of/mac-os-x https://www.versionmuseum.com/history-of/mac-os-x
thmzlt 4y ago
I've replaced Zooom/2 with this open source tool: https://github.com/dmarcotte/easy-move-resize https://github.com/dmarcotte/easy-move-resize
klabb3 4y ago
As a mac user, and more importantly, as an admirer of their UX design, I have to agree with this. Not perhaps specifically this point, but in general with the keyboard. Muscle memory is not to be fucked with. Cmd vs Ctrl still gets me now and then, and even if it's rarer now, I can feel the cognitive context switch in my brain as I switch between devices. Sometimes it's better to play along even if you think you have a better way. Or at least offer the option (there is a time and place for spacebar heating).
dbalatero 4y ago
FYI, I ported the basic features to Hammerspoon (resize, drag) after Zooom2 was abandoned in this free OSS library: https://github.com/dbalatero/HyperKey.spoon https://github.com/dbalatero/HyperKey.spoon
aaronharnly 4y ago
I've also been hand-copying my Zooom2 app from machine to machine. On my new M1, I am using Hookshot (which apparently is now Rectangle Pro https://rectangleapp.com/pro https://rectangleapp.com/pro ) – it has support for key combos to Move and Resize windows. The only downside is that Hookshot/Rectangle focuses the window when you do this, which Zooom2 did not.
- rxhanson 4y ago
  Not sure if you've seen this issue in the tracking: https://github.com/rxhanson/RectanglePro-Community/issues/46 https://github.com/rxhanson/RectanglePro-Community/issues/46 I am planning on adding some control into the UI for it, but no guarantees on a timeframe.
  - aaronharnly 4y ago
    Ah lovely! Thank you for your great work!

brandonhorst 4y ago

You can do exactly this with BetterTouchTool. You can also set it up with Hammerspoon.

mistersquid 4y ago
> You can do exactly this with BetterTouchTool. Zooom2 allows for moving/resizing of background windows. Last I checked, BetterTouchTool window manipulation required clicking the window which brings it to the front.
- dbalatero 4y ago
  This free Hammerspoon plugin will also resize background windows: https://github.com/dbalatero/SkyRocket.spoon/ https://github.com/dbalatero/SkyRocket.spoon/
- evan_ 4y ago
  It's actually configurable in BTT whether you bring the window to the front. You don't need to click, just hold down modifier keys.

urbandw311er 4y ago

I do this all the time via BetterTouchTool. Don’t know where I would be without it.

nico_h 4y ago

Using an M1 right now and Zooom/2 still works.

mistersquid 4y ago
> Using an M1 right now and Zooom/2 still works. Same, but Rosetta 2 won't be around forever. Dreading the day Zooom/2 stops working and I can't find a replacement that lets one move and resize background windows.

drewg123 4y ago

This is exactly when I can't deal with a mac as a desktop. My 30 year old muscle memories created in the late 80s with TWM use alt (on a std kbd, would be cmd on mac) + mouse button 1..3 to move, resize and iconify windows. Kde supports this, ldxe supports this, etc. I tried and abandoned using a mac as a desktop ~15 years ago because I didn't have this feature, and I didn't have true focus-follows-mouse. I don't want to use some app that could be abandoned and end up like the parent, this kind of configurability should be a core OS feature. Oddly, on a latop its fine, I somehow have a different set of muscle memories for touchpads.

Tepix 4y ago
It sucks when you're unable to overcome old habits...
- drewg123 4y ago
  It sucks when UI designers don't provide ways to configure software..
  - SebastianKra 4y ago
    Reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/ I acknowledge that I'm still young, but I feel like Apple is introducing changes at a good pace. UI elements and layouts have stayed consistent. [^1] Radical changes are usually confined to single apps, and if there is a f*up like Safari 15, they provide a fallback option and quickly revise their decision. Providing endless backwards-compatibility only bloats the interface and makes it harder to learn for new users. The goal must be slow but steady progress, so that everyone can adapt. [^1]: The best example is probably System Preferences: https://www.versionmuseum.com/history-of/mac-os-x https://www.versionmuseum.com/history-of/mac-os-x

thmzlt 4y ago

I've replaced Zooom/2 with this open source tool: https://github.com/dmarcotte/easy-move-resize https://github.com/dmarcotte/easy-move-resize

klabb3 4y ago

As a mac user, and more importantly, as an admirer of their UX design, I have to agree with this. Not perhaps specifically this point, but in general with the keyboard. Muscle memory is not to be fucked with. Cmd vs Ctrl still gets me now and then, and even if it's rarer now, I can feel the cognitive context switch in my brain as I switch between devices. Sometimes it's better to play along even if you think you have a better way. Or at least offer the option (there is a time and place for spacebar heating).

dbalatero 4y ago

FYI, I ported the basic features to Hammerspoon (resize, drag) after Zooom2 was abandoned in this free OSS library: https://github.com/dbalatero/HyperKey.spoon https://github.com/dbalatero/HyperKey.spoon

aaronharnly 4y ago

I've also been hand-copying my Zooom2 app from machine to machine. On my new M1, I am using Hookshot (which apparently is now Rectangle Pro https://rectangleapp.com/pro https://rectangleapp.com/pro ) – it has support for key combos to Move and Resize windows. The only downside is that Hookshot/Rectangle focuses the window when you do this, which Zooom2 did not.

rxhanson 4y ago
Not sure if you've seen this issue in the tracking: https://github.com/rxhanson/RectanglePro-Community/issues/46 https://github.com/rxhanson/RectanglePro-Community/issues/46 I am planning on adding some control into the UI for it, but no guarantees on a timeframe.
- aaronharnly 4y ago
  Ah lovely! Thank you for your great work!