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This appears to be a managed hosting provider offering access to a pleroma instance underneath, not a software package.

packetlost 4y ago
That's sort of my point. Managed hosting is exactly what I get for free from SDF (or mastodon.social), so what's the benefit?
- jgfrgcss 4y ago
  A clear business model and alignment of interests, as a customer. Also no lock in since the customer owns their domain. How is SDF funded? How can anyone be certain it will continue to be funded, if it offers a service gratis that costs the provider money to operate? Is that funding source aligned with my beliefs and interests? These are questions you don't have when you just pay for things. Another example: I use FastMail with a custom domain. Yes, I could just use Gmail, but I don't, for the reasons listed above.
  - the_common_man 4y ago
    But you can't use Gmail with a custom domain for free. I bet that's a decision point
    - TurkTurkleton 4y ago
      You can't use Fastmail for free at all, custom domain or no.
      - the_common_man 4y ago
        Yes. But what I am saying is since gmail becomes paid for custom domains, you _then_ decide, you might as well pay someone else.
  - entropicdrifter 4y ago
    SDF has been a self-sustaining non-profit since the 80's. I'm much more skeptical of a newcomer than of them, personally
- qznc 4y ago
  Your own domain?
- ruined 4y ago
  you get to set your own federation rules, and perform your own moderation.
  - singpolyma3 4y ago
    And switch to self-hosting or another hosting company whenever you want, never need to change your address because you own the domain. Control and freedom. Also support from humans who are paid to support you.
- masukomi 4y ago
  _you_ don't get managed hosting from mastodon.social the site owner does (if they used a service like this). You just get an account that someone else manages the infrastructure beneath. This gives you your own instance, which in addition to using your own domain, means you can can set the rules of the server (what kind of speech is and isn't allowed), you can boot people you don't want. You can control who gets in. you can control what other servers are blocked (i assume that is an option in pleroma too).
  - remram 4y ago
    Do you really get to set all the rules? This lists no terms of service at this point, but is there any reason to assume that the rules will be significantly more lax than e.g. twitter.com? As a person who've had their VPS disconnected by OVH over a malicious link posted by a third-party on my service, I am very skeptical. Additionally other instances could very well block all Togethr instances if they see abuse from customers, the same way they can block an instance if they see abuse from their members.
    - singpolyma3 4y ago
      Every Togethr instrnce has a separate domain name and IP address, so blocking them all for no reason isn't really possible. Blocking any given one is of course.
      - remram 4y ago
        By "not possible" you mean that it's not a feature that exists in Mastodon today. In that sense you are right.
        singpolyma3 4y ago
        I mean there is no way to tell if an instance is hosted by Togethr or not.
        4y ago
- mark_l_watson 4y ago
  I agree, but I was concerned if mastodon.social was sufficiently funded so I started giving them a tiny amount of money every month. I suppose it would be good to have Mastodon on my own domain, but I really don't care that much (I have had my website on my own domain for 30+ years).
- wink 4y ago
  In one of the former fediverse hype cycles (either 2020 or 2018...) I made an account on an instance that was not one of the main 5 ones and followed a bunch of people. Some weeks ago I looked at that account and literally 90% of the accounts I had followed had vanished because the instances _they_ were on went offline in the meantime. Honestly a little surprised the one I chose was still offline, as it's also just a random small one. Yes, this is probably not so likely for mastodon.social or SDF, but still. It's just like getting a free email account at some random place, it could be gone every day.

That's sort of my point. Managed hosting is exactly what I get for free from SDF (or mastodon.social), so what's the benefit?

jgfrgcss 4y ago
A clear business model and alignment of interests, as a customer. Also no lock in since the customer owns their domain. How is SDF funded? How can anyone be certain it will continue to be funded, if it offers a service gratis that costs the provider money to operate? Is that funding source aligned with my beliefs and interests? These are questions you don't have when you just pay for things. Another example: I use FastMail with a custom domain. Yes, I could just use Gmail, but I don't, for the reasons listed above.
- the_common_man 4y ago
  But you can't use Gmail with a custom domain for free. I bet that's a decision point
  - TurkTurkleton 4y ago
    You can't use Fastmail for free at all, custom domain or no.
    - the_common_man 4y ago
      Yes. But what I am saying is since gmail becomes paid for custom domains, you _then_ decide, you might as well pay someone else.
- entropicdrifter 4y ago
  SDF has been a self-sustaining non-profit since the 80's. I'm much more skeptical of a newcomer than of them, personally
qznc 4y ago
Your own domain?
ruined 4y ago
you get to set your own federation rules, and perform your own moderation.
- singpolyma3 4y ago
  And switch to self-hosting or another hosting company whenever you want, never need to change your address because you own the domain. Control and freedom. Also support from humans who are paid to support you.
masukomi 4y ago
_you_ don't get managed hosting from mastodon.social the site owner does (if they used a service like this). You just get an account that someone else manages the infrastructure beneath. This gives you your own instance, which in addition to using your own domain, means you can can set the rules of the server (what kind of speech is and isn't allowed), you can boot people you don't want. You can control who gets in. you can control what other servers are blocked (i assume that is an option in pleroma too).
- remram 4y ago
  Do you really get to set all the rules? This lists no terms of service at this point, but is there any reason to assume that the rules will be significantly more lax than e.g. twitter.com? As a person who've had their VPS disconnected by OVH over a malicious link posted by a third-party on my service, I am very skeptical. Additionally other instances could very well block all Togethr instances if they see abuse from customers, the same way they can block an instance if they see abuse from their members.
  - singpolyma3 4y ago
    Every Togethr instrnce has a separate domain name and IP address, so blocking them all for no reason isn't really possible. Blocking any given one is of course.
    - remram 4y ago
      By "not possible" you mean that it's not a feature that exists in Mastodon today. In that sense you are right.
      - singpolyma3 4y ago
        I mean there is no way to tell if an instance is hosted by Togethr or not.
        4y ago
mark_l_watson 4y ago
I agree, but I was concerned if mastodon.social was sufficiently funded so I started giving them a tiny amount of money every month. I suppose it would be good to have Mastodon on my own domain, but I really don't care that much (I have had my website on my own domain for 30+ years).
wink 4y ago
In one of the former fediverse hype cycles (either 2020 or 2018...) I made an account on an instance that was not one of the main 5 ones and followed a bunch of people. Some weeks ago I looked at that account and literally 90% of the accounts I had followed had vanished because the instances _they_ were on went offline in the meantime. Honestly a little surprised the one I chose was still offline, as it's also just a random small one. Yes, this is probably not so likely for mastodon.social or SDF, but still. It's just like getting a free email account at some random place, it could be gone every day.