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In speaking with a biologically female friend, she commented how she knows many men who are upset by the draft, always vote on the "right" side of issues, etc.,

In speaking with a biologically female friend, she commented how she knows many men who are upset by the draft, always vote on the "right" side of issues, etc., but none cried with her hearing about this draft. The author's being a straight, white male could potentially also lead him into dismissing justices or clerks too quickly. >Justices understand that they don’t always end up in the majority. Clerks rely on these jobs as a calling card for the rest of their careers. To be exposed as a leaker would amount to setting that future career on fire. It’s not worth the risk. To Matthew Broderick, certainly, this risk isn't worth it. To a woman or minority who is genuinely afraid of the consequences for either themselves or can immediately put themselves in the shoes of those who it could harm? I don't know. Maybe it is worth it if they think that public outcry could sway a justice, particularly one who has previously and recently talked about it being settled precedent even if it may come at the cost of her career.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago
It is harder for men to cry due to their biology, this is supported by first hand experiences of trans women. This is not to say that men don't experience emotions or are not as empathetic or that women are emotional, but that the physical process itself is hindered.
- glandium 4y ago
  Age is a factor that changes things, though. I rarely had emotional responses to movies in my 20s, but now in my 40s the lachrymal canals are wide open.
- twevty 4y ago
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    > How does that work? Their brain's chemistry and structure is closer to cis-women than to cis-men due to hormone replacement therapy, and there are consistent differences in the microstructures of the brain. > Given that transwomen are just men While they are male in some regards, trans women have a different endocrine system due to HRT. They are not "just men". > that's what they believe they should be doing more of while performing womanhood. That's a very demeaning belief about how trans women experience the world, to reduce everything to a performance erases all the struggle and issues these women have gone through as a consequence of "being different" while presenting as boys or men. I am sorry but your comment just ... reeks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence
    - twevty 4y ago
suzzer99 4y ago
On the flip side - many are speculating a conservative justice (edit: or staffer) leaked it in an attempt to effectively cement the decision in place before it could be watered down.
- Kranar 4y ago
  That would be career suicide for a justice and almost certainly result in impeachment. Furthermore there's almost no reason for any justice to do such a thing.
  - ziddoap 4y ago
    >almost certainly result in impeachment. That is awfully optimistic, considering the track record of impeachment in general , and the fact that only one justice has ever faced impeachment and it was over 200 years ago. Not to mention, leaks (as pointed out by the author of this post) are not new, nor are draft opinions protected by any sort of law or classification that would warrant impeachment (that I am aware of, happy to be corrected on this point). >Furthermore there's almost no reason for any justice to do such a thing. Some plausible reasoning has been posited here and elsewhere.
    - Kranar 4y ago
      You are coming to the wrong conclusion. The fact that almost no Justice has faced impeachment is precisely why it's unlikely a Justice leaked this document. Also impeachment does not require any statute to be broken, an officer of the United States can be impeached for any conduct deemed incompatible with the duties of their respective office. Surreptitiously leaking a draft opinion would almost certainly count as conduct unbefitting a Supreme Court Justice, after all if it weren't there'd be no need to be secretive about it.
      - ziddoap 4y ago
        >The fact that almost no Justice has faced impeachment is precisely why it's unlikely a Justice leaked this document. My conclusion wasn't that a Justice leaked the document. My conclusion was that is optimistic to think they would be successfully impeached if it ends up being a Justice. What you've written has not convinced me otherwise. Surely in the previous 200 years, some Justice has done something of similar unbecoming-ness, and yet a successful impeachment of a Justice has never happened.
spa3thyb 4y ago
> none cried with her I'm not understanding - these men aren't as upset as biological women are?
- ribosometronome 4y ago
  More that lots of men who are upset still won't experience it with the same emotional resonance that many women are. Not because women are more emotional or men aren't empathetic but just that the fear lives closer to the surface for those who can really see themselves in the shoes of someone this decision will hurt. Dismissing clerks because they fear risking their career makes sense unless that clerk fears more for the lives of people they know/people like them.
- whymauri 4y ago
  I think that's pretty much what the comment is saying, yeah. Doesn't seem like a controversial POV that being a man could bias expectations when considering who leaked the memo (because the emotional investment is different). I know the GP uses language people here don't like, but it's not an unreasonable point to make when the core issue primarily impacts women.
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PartiallyTyped 4y ago

It is harder for men to cry due to their biology, this is supported by first hand experiences of trans women. This is not to say that men don't experience emotions or are not as empathetic or that women are emotional, but that the physical process itself is hindered.

glandium 4y ago
Age is a factor that changes things, though. I rarely had emotional responses to movies in my 20s, but now in my 40s the lachrymal canals are wide open.
twevty 4y ago
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  > How does that work? Their brain's chemistry and structure is closer to cis-women than to cis-men due to hormone replacement therapy, and there are consistent differences in the microstructures of the brain. > Given that transwomen are just men While they are male in some regards, trans women have a different endocrine system due to HRT. They are not "just men". > that's what they believe they should be doing more of while performing womanhood. That's a very demeaning belief about how trans women experience the world, to reduce everything to a performance erases all the struggle and issues these women have gone through as a consequence of "being different" while presenting as boys or men. I am sorry but your comment just ... reeks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence
  - twevty 4y ago

suzzer99 4y ago

On the flip side - many are speculating a conservative justice (edit: or staffer) leaked it in an attempt to effectively cement the decision in place before it could be watered down.

Kranar 4y ago
That would be career suicide for a justice and almost certainly result in impeachment. Furthermore there's almost no reason for any justice to do such a thing.
- ziddoap 4y ago
  >almost certainly result in impeachment. That is awfully optimistic, considering the track record of impeachment in general , and the fact that only one justice has ever faced impeachment and it was over 200 years ago. Not to mention, leaks (as pointed out by the author of this post) are not new, nor are draft opinions protected by any sort of law or classification that would warrant impeachment (that I am aware of, happy to be corrected on this point). >Furthermore there's almost no reason for any justice to do such a thing. Some plausible reasoning has been posited here and elsewhere.
  - Kranar 4y ago
    You are coming to the wrong conclusion. The fact that almost no Justice has faced impeachment is precisely why it's unlikely a Justice leaked this document. Also impeachment does not require any statute to be broken, an officer of the United States can be impeached for any conduct deemed incompatible with the duties of their respective office. Surreptitiously leaking a draft opinion would almost certainly count as conduct unbefitting a Supreme Court Justice, after all if it weren't there'd be no need to be secretive about it.
    - ziddoap 4y ago
      >The fact that almost no Justice has faced impeachment is precisely why it's unlikely a Justice leaked this document. My conclusion wasn't that a Justice leaked the document. My conclusion was that is optimistic to think they would be successfully impeached if it ends up being a Justice. What you've written has not convinced me otherwise. Surely in the previous 200 years, some Justice has done something of similar unbecoming-ness, and yet a successful impeachment of a Justice has never happened.

spa3thyb 4y ago

> none cried with her I'm not understanding - these men aren't as upset as biological women are?

ribosometronome 4y ago
More that lots of men who are upset still won't experience it with the same emotional resonance that many women are. Not because women are more emotional or men aren't empathetic but just that the fear lives closer to the surface for those who can really see themselves in the shoes of someone this decision will hurt. Dismissing clerks because they fear risking their career makes sense unless that clerk fears more for the lives of people they know/people like them.
whymauri 4y ago
I think that's pretty much what the comment is saying, yeah. Doesn't seem like a controversial POV that being a man could bias expectations when considering who leaked the memo (because the emotional investment is different). I know the GP uses language people here don't like, but it's not an unreasonable point to make when the core issue primarily impacts women.

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