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I am sorry but this is total bs, nobody cornered Russia.

by mda 4y ago

sitkack 4y ago
That is a flippant and simplistic view of the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQ-E-7b-Vw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQ-E-7b-Vw The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia. Ukraine had a lower performing, cheaper economy than Russia, free trade status with the EU means that it could have setup factories for rich EU companies. Huge untapped oil and gas deposits were discovered in Ukraine as well, putting Russia's energy dominance over Europe into doubt. With all of their financial eggs in the oil basket and all of that corruption to feed ... We now see the result. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union...
- jollybean 4y ago
  "The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia." ? They said the same thing to the UK, and they say the same thing to every country. Do you understand what trade harmonization means ? You can't be part of multiple trade harmonization zones.
  - freeflight 4y ago
    > They said the same thing to the UK They didn't because the UK didn't even have the same problem due to the UK already having been a EU member for a long time, as such it was already tooled for EU market demands. While the Ukrainian economy was very much tooled towards former Soviet markets like Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, those made up 60% of Ukraine's exports in 2013 [0]. Obviously a lot of that fell apart after 2014, instead came IMF bailouts aka loans [1], which have been keeping the Ukrainian economy alive since then, now substituted with additional credits for the weapons some countries are supplying Ukraine. > Do you understand what trade harmonization means ? You can't be part of multiple trade harmonization zones. So you do understand the actual issue? Then why act like it ain't an issue and it's just "Russian propaganda like in the UK!"? [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-russia-ukraine-factbox-idUSBRE9AL0LQ20131122 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-russia-ukraine-factbox... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27233152 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27233152

I am sorry but this is total bs, nobody cornered Russia.

by mda 4y ago

I am sorry but this is total bs, nobody cornered Russia.

That is a flippant and simplistic view of the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQ-E-7b-Vw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQ-E-7b-Vw The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia. Ukraine had a lower performing, cheaper economy than Russia, free trade status with the EU means that it could have setup factories for rich EU companies. Huge untapped oil and gas deposits were discovered in Ukraine as well, putting Russia's energy dominance over Europe into doubt. With all of their financial eggs in the oil basket and all of that corruption to feed ... We now see the result. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union...

jollybean 4y ago
"The EU put stipulations on Ukraine, that they could only have free trade status with the EU or Russia but not both. This pulled UA westward at the detriment of Russia." ? They said the same thing to the UK, and they say the same thing to every country. Do you understand what trade harmonization means ? You can't be part of multiple trade harmonization zones.
- freeflight 4y ago
  > They said the same thing to the UK They didn't because the UK didn't even have the same problem due to the UK already having been a EU member for a long time, as such it was already tooled for EU market demands. While the Ukrainian economy was very much tooled towards former Soviet markets like Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, those made up 60% of Ukraine's exports in 2013 [0]. Obviously a lot of that fell apart after 2014, instead came IMF bailouts aka loans [1], which have been keeping the Ukrainian economy alive since then, now substituted with additional credits for the weapons some countries are supplying Ukraine. > Do you understand what trade harmonization means ? You can't be part of multiple trade harmonization zones. So you do understand the actual issue? Then why act like it ain't an issue and it's just "Russian propaganda like in the UK!"? [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-russia-ukraine-factbox-idUSBRE9AL0LQ20131122 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-russia-ukraine-factbox... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27233152 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27233152