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It feels like your living in some strange alternate reality. What are you talking about? How is the CDC 'overriding freedom'? They collect data and make recomm

It feels like your living in some strange alternate reality. What are you talking about? How is the CDC 'overriding freedom'? They collect data and make recommendations. The rest of the world is out here waiting for you, please wake up. We need everyone to make this work.

leereeves 4y ago
> What are you talking about? The CDC's mission is fundamentally the same as the mission of the Chinese disease control agency. The difference is how that mission is balanced against people's freedom to live their lives. Please don't misunderstand; that doesn't mean that I oppose everything they do. Everything they do limits freedom, but sometimes that is necessary.
- tragictrash 4y ago
  - leereeves 4y ago
    > THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS Ahh, I see where the confusion is. They actually have authority to issue legally binding orders. "To help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and help our country cope during the pandemic, CDC has occasionally issued legally binding orders and regulations." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/laws-regulations.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/laws-r... Not all such orders are listed on that page. For example, "CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky today signed an order determining the evictions of tenants for failure to make rent or housing payments could be detrimental to public health control measures". https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-order.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-o...
- nradov 4y ago
  Which specific limits on freedom are necessary? What are the criteria for determining necessity?
  - leereeves 4y ago
    > Which specific limits on freedom are necessary? That's the eternal question. Not just for disease control, but for everything. > What are the criteria for determining necessity? In a democracy, ultimately: elections.
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    Those which reduce mortality rate below a desired threshold. It's a scientific question as to whether a specific limit on freedom (of movement, of contact, etc.) is effective. But it's a general approximation that greater freedoms mean higher mortality rates during lethal pandemics. And vice versus. What level of mortality we're prepared to accept, and what level of limitations on freedom, is a political question in a democracy.
- bally0241 4y ago
  Not only are they completely unnecessary, but more importantly many of your so-called "limits on freedom" are blatantly unconstitutional and illegal.
junofan 4y ago
The CDC also enacts regulations under Section 361. Some of them, like the rent/eviction freeze, arguably encroached upon “freedom.”

leereeves 4y ago

> What are you talking about? The CDC's mission is fundamentally the same as the mission of the Chinese disease control agency. The difference is how that mission is balanced against people's freedom to live their lives. Please don't misunderstand; that doesn't mean that I oppose everything they do. Everything they do limits freedom, but sometimes that is necessary.

tragictrash 4y ago
- leereeves 4y ago
  > THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS Ahh, I see where the confusion is. They actually have authority to issue legally binding orders. "To help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and help our country cope during the pandemic, CDC has occasionally issued legally binding orders and regulations." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/laws-regulations.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/laws-r... Not all such orders are listed on that page. For example, "CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky today signed an order determining the evictions of tenants for failure to make rent or housing payments could be detrimental to public health control measures". https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-order.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-o...
nradov 4y ago
Which specific limits on freedom are necessary? What are the criteria for determining necessity?
- leereeves 4y ago
  > Which specific limits on freedom are necessary? That's the eternal question. Not just for disease control, but for everything. > What are the criteria for determining necessity? In a democracy, ultimately: elections.
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Those which reduce mortality rate below a desired threshold. It's a scientific question as to whether a specific limit on freedom (of movement, of contact, etc.) is effective. But it's a general approximation that greater freedoms mean higher mortality rates during lethal pandemics. And vice versus. What level of mortality we're prepared to accept, and what level of limitations on freedom, is a political question in a democracy.
bally0241 4y ago
Not only are they completely unnecessary, but more importantly many of your so-called "limits on freedom" are blatantly unconstitutional and illegal.

junofan 4y ago

The CDC also enacts regulations under Section 361. Some of them, like the rent/eviction freeze, arguably encroached upon “freedom.”