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> How you 'live your life' is orthogonal to that mission orthogonal does not mean what you think it means given your usage. orthogonal means its entirely unrel

• Eldt 4y ago
  It was used correctly, you've just mistaken the point made about the CDC and how they view their mission
  • leereeves 4y ago
    It's definitely not orthogonal to how you live your life; their very purpose is to limit how you live your life in order to prevent/reduce behaviors that spread disease. For example, they issue quarantine orders.[1] People understand that is their mission. Some find it scary. Everyone has a different threshold at which they start to object to the CDC overriding people's freedom in the pursuit of disease control, but everyone will object at some point. For example, would you accept a Shanghai-style lockdown? 1: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/Public-Health-Order_Generic_FINAL_02-13-2020-p.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/Public-Health-Order_Gener...
    • tragictrash 4y ago
      It feels like your living in some strange alternate reality. What are you talking about? How is the CDC 'overriding freedom'? They collect data and make recommendations. The rest of the world is out here waiting for you, please wake up. We need everyone to make this work.
      • leereeves 4y ago
        > What are you talking about? The CDC's mission is fundamentally the same as the mission of the Chinese disease control agency. The difference is how that mission is balanced against people's freedom to live their lives. Please don't misunderstand; that doesn't mean that I oppose everything they do. Everything they do limits freedom, but sometimes that is necessary.
        • tragictrash 4y ago
          • leereeves 4y ago
            > THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS Ahh, I see where the confusion is. They actually have authority to issue legally binding orders. "To help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and help our country cope during the pandemic, CDC has occasionally issued legally binding orders and regulations." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/laws-regulations.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/laws-r... Not all such orders are listed on that page. For example, "CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky today signed an order determining the evictions of tenants for failure to make rent or housing payments could be detrimental to public health control measures". https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-order.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-o...
        • nradov 4y ago
          Which specific limits on freedom are necessary? What are the criteria for determining necessity?
          • leereeves 4y ago
            > Which specific limits on freedom are necessary? That's the eternal question. Not just for disease control, but for everything. > What are the criteria for determining necessity? In a democracy, ultimately: elections.
          • ethbr0 4y ago
            Those which reduce mortality rate below a desired threshold. It's a scientific question as to whether a specific limit on freedom (of movement, of contact, etc.) is effective. But it's a general approximation that greater freedoms mean higher mortality rates during lethal pandemics. And vice versus. What level of mortality we're prepared to accept, and what level of limitations on freedom, is a political question in a democracy.
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      • junofan 4y ago
        The CDC also enacts regulations under Section 361. Some of them, like the rent/eviction freeze, arguably encroached upon “freedom.”
    • mullingitover 4y ago
      > their very purpose is to limit how you live your life Their purpose is to increase the overall duration of healthy life we have, both individually and in aggregate. Limiting how you live your life is, again, orthogonal to that. For example, how is their campaign to control mosquitos and eradicate malaria in the US limiting how you live your life?
      • jimmydorry 4y ago
        I'm going to assume that you are discussing in good faith, as per the HackerNews commenting guidelines, and did not deliberately pick a specific CDC campaign as a strawman. The CDC's campaign to control mosquitos and eradicate malaria in the US probably does not limit how people are living their lives, but ordering an immediate nationwide halt on evictions of any renter for nonpayment of rent would be an example of applying limitations on people.
        • Brybry 4y ago
          To be fair, the national eviction moratorium was ruled illegal/not a power that the CDC has. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/21a23_ap6c.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/21a23_ap6c.pdf
          • jtbayly 4y ago
            Precisely. The group that is willing to illegally order you to do things they have no right to order is also tracking you. But no biggie.
            • drekk 4y ago
              Say the thing they ordered. They didn't allow evicting millions of Americans during winter in a global pandemic. They're also tracking people to make sure lockdown guidelines were followed. Of course Americans could not follow a guideline to save their lives, and now over a million preventably dead Americans get to be summarily forgotten because the real victim was your ability to go to a bar or concert when hospitals were renting refrigerated trucks to hold bodies. But no biggie.
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  • jatone 4y ago
    no, its not used correctly. If i've misunderstood the point being communicated its because the original comment isn't using words correctly. ;)