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grumpy old man noises If developers can't be arsed to mention on front page what platforms their product supports then I don't think they really know what "int

grumpy old man noises If developers can't be arsed to mention on front page what platforms their product supports then I don't think they really know what "intuitive" means. They might be cool guys and nice people and all but interacting with users is not their strength.

okamiueru 4y ago
I agree. However, it was refreshing to find that it meant it was for Linux, which is the defacto OS to ignore in the "PC and Mac" world. It's also not a bad exercise for Windows and Mac users to learn that the best way to determine this is to go to the downloads section and/or look for system requirements.
luguenth 4y ago
That's the beautiful thing of open source. It's a community effort: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/pitivi-web/-/blob/master/layouts/index.html https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/pitivi-web/-/blob/ma...
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- RedComet 4y ago
  The beautiful thing about open source is that a website doesn't mention the platforms it supports? Strange view.
  - chii 4y ago
    the OP was asking for contributions rather than just criticism.
  - modo_mario 4y ago
    He was hinting that the original commenter could push for the change he wants to see himself and linked the page that would have to be edited.
    - bachmeier 4y ago
      That's also strange. Clearly the comment was coming from someone not familiar with the project. Responding "I just submitted the change, here's a link" would have been more reasonable.
      - prophesi 4y ago
        In that case you can just raise an issue in the repo https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/pitivi-web/-/issues?sort=created_date&state=opened https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/pitivi-web/-/issues?... But I also understand that the true beauty of open source is the entitlement of free work from devs on a project receiving less than 8 euros a month from donations.
        bachmeier 4y ago
        > entitlement of free work from devs on a project Someone posted the project to Hacker News. A commenter pointed out that they didn't put the supported platforms on their website. That has nothing to do with "entitlement of free work". If the devs don't want anyone else discussing their work, they have every right to keep it private. If it gets posted to HN, it will be discussed.
        prophesi 4y ago
        > Responding "I just submitted the change, here's a link" would have been more reasonable. This is entitlement to free work. Raising an issue is much more reasonable than an HN user submitting a change on behalf of another random HN user. I do understand that the OP wasn't asking for someone to do this for them, though, and not displaying supported OSes is a totally valid critique.
jeroenhd 4y ago
I kind of agree. It's very annoying to read about a program and find out on the download page that it's only available for Windows or for macOS and the open source community is starting to do the same with the assumption that just "open source" is enough to signal that it's Linux only. Of course with modern versions of Windows you can probably run this program through WSL relatively easily as well, but that is far from the default for running open source programs. As this is GTK based, I suppose there's no technical reason why it can't be made to work cross platform if someone would put in the effort. It'd still be nice to see it mentioned, though.
- marcodiego 4y ago
  At first I did this as a form of revenge: "If they just announce their software, I'll just announce the software I use regardless of the OS they use!" Then I started thinking: "Well, their are probably not malicious or ignorant. This is just probably an acceptable behavior." And continued to behave that way. I don't think we should complain when FLOSS non-multiplatform software (that support a FLOSS OS) should be criticized when announced without disclosing the lack of portability. People who choose to not use a FLOSS OS should be able to try it more easily and without the limits imposed by usual proprietary software licenses restrictions. Now, if you announce something, even if it is FLOSS, that only works on windows or macos, the thing is entirely different. A FLOSS user will have difficulty trying it or will have to agree with the restrictions of proprietary software licenses. These are the software that, when announced, should state very clear which platforms it supports.
  - cma 4y ago
    > A FLOSS user will have difficulty trying it or will have to agree with the restrictions of proprietary software licenses. Wine runs lots of stuff very well.
phendrenad2 4y ago
Sure, it was once common practice to have a list of supported platforms on your homepage, but you have to excuse people for not knowing that. Most people just get their apps (including Linux apps) from an "app store" sort of thing. That said, the download page is where I'd definitely expect something like this, and the download page is useless. It tells you that various Linux distros have Pitivi in their package managers (which ones? links?), and has a Flatpak download (what's flatpak?)

okamiueru 4y ago

I agree. However, it was refreshing to find that it meant it was for Linux, which is the defacto OS to ignore in the "PC and Mac" world. It's also not a bad exercise for Windows and Mac users to learn that the best way to determine this is to go to the downloads section and/or look for system requirements.

luguenth 4y ago

That's the beautiful thing of open source. It's a community effort: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/pitivi-web/-/blob/master/layouts/index.html https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/pitivi-web/-/blob/ma...

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RedComet 4y ago
The beautiful thing about open source is that a website doesn't mention the platforms it supports? Strange view.
- chii 4y ago
  the OP was asking for contributions rather than just criticism.
- modo_mario 4y ago
  He was hinting that the original commenter could push for the change he wants to see himself and linked the page that would have to be edited.
  - bachmeier 4y ago
    That's also strange. Clearly the comment was coming from someone not familiar with the project. Responding "I just submitted the change, here's a link" would have been more reasonable.
    - prophesi 4y ago
      In that case you can just raise an issue in the repo https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/pitivi-web/-/issues?sort=created_date&state=opened https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/pitivi-web/-/issues?... But I also understand that the true beauty of open source is the entitlement of free work from devs on a project receiving less than 8 euros a month from donations.
      - bachmeier 4y ago
        > entitlement of free work from devs on a project Someone posted the project to Hacker News. A commenter pointed out that they didn't put the supported platforms on their website. That has nothing to do with "entitlement of free work". If the devs don't want anyone else discussing their work, they have every right to keep it private. If it gets posted to HN, it will be discussed.
        prophesi 4y ago
        > Responding "I just submitted the change, here's a link" would have been more reasonable. This is entitlement to free work. Raising an issue is much more reasonable than an HN user submitting a change on behalf of another random HN user. I do understand that the OP wasn't asking for someone to do this for them, though, and not displaying supported OSes is a totally valid critique.

jeroenhd 4y ago

I kind of agree. It's very annoying to read about a program and find out on the download page that it's only available for Windows or for macOS and the open source community is starting to do the same with the assumption that just "open source" is enough to signal that it's Linux only. Of course with modern versions of Windows you can probably run this program through WSL relatively easily as well, but that is far from the default for running open source programs. As this is GTK based, I suppose there's no technical reason why it can't be made to work cross platform if someone would put in the effort. It'd still be nice to see it mentioned, though.

marcodiego 4y ago
At first I did this as a form of revenge: "If they just announce their software, I'll just announce the software I use regardless of the OS they use!" Then I started thinking: "Well, their are probably not malicious or ignorant. This is just probably an acceptable behavior." And continued to behave that way. I don't think we should complain when FLOSS non-multiplatform software (that support a FLOSS OS) should be criticized when announced without disclosing the lack of portability. People who choose to not use a FLOSS OS should be able to try it more easily and without the limits imposed by usual proprietary software licenses restrictions. Now, if you announce something, even if it is FLOSS, that only works on windows or macos, the thing is entirely different. A FLOSS user will have difficulty trying it or will have to agree with the restrictions of proprietary software licenses. These are the software that, when announced, should state very clear which platforms it supports.
- cma 4y ago
  > A FLOSS user will have difficulty trying it or will have to agree with the restrictions of proprietary software licenses. Wine runs lots of stuff very well.

phendrenad2 4y ago

Sure, it was once common practice to have a list of supported platforms on your homepage, but you have to excuse people for not knowing that. Most people just get their apps (including Linux apps) from an "app store" sort of thing. That said, the download page is where I'd definitely expect something like this, and the download page is useless. It tells you that various Linux distros have Pitivi in their package managers (which ones? links?), and has a Flatpak download (what's flatpak?)