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> 7-9 hours of typing, browsing and some programming. > 3-4 hours of video/audio conferencing or other CPU intensive tasks. This is one of the primary reasons
by adamors 4y ago
> 7-9 hours of typing, browsing and some programming.
> 3-4 hours of video/audio conferencing or other CPU intensive tasks.
This is one of the primary reasons I can't even consider moving away from an M1 Mac. I used to love ThinkPads but not being able to use the machine for 10+ hours without charger is a dealbreaker in 2022.
- shusaku 4y agoI wonder what the battery life is like using windows on the same machine.
- rxhernandez 4y agoNot having good linux support is a deal breaker for me.
- tluyben2 4y agoYeah, I am getting there; I just like working under Linux more and mac OS X does a bit, but nothing is like Linux with i3 for me; it is so much more productive (for me).
- pletnes 4y agoI just switched the other way from an older gen P1. I got maybe 1-2 hours battery out of the P1. I could barely go to one meeting without a charger. The M1 macbook lasted several days on one charge. I’m mind blown, having used wintel laptops for years.
- tluyben2 4y agoSame here. Although for some projects lately that needed quick a bit of docker infra running, I found battery life dropping to 7-9 hours for the m1 and then my x220 (which doesn’t notice docker much unlike the m1) performs better with it’s 11+ hours.
- zhdc1 4y agoI have to ask, how are you getting 11+ hours with an x220? Aside from the screen, battery life and difficulties finding quality battery replacements are among the main reasons why switched to an M1 from an x220.
- plafl 4y agoThis is a usually cited concern for so many people and I'm curious to know why because I rarely unplug my laptop, like most people I know.
- notemaker 4y agoThis mindset is similar to what people with wired headphones think of Airpods et al. It's not an apparent benefit when you're in the bubble of thinking it's normal to have a wire going across your torso all day and hearing the thuds and bumps propagate through the wire to your ears. But when you buy a pair of wireless buds and have them for a week - you don't go back. You've discovered freedom. Likewise, with battery, you don't think it's an issue now because you know your laptop's limitations and therefore rarely unplug it. But when you get the ability to do so - you'll start to adapt to your new freedoms.
- mackrevinack 4y agoi had wireless headphones and true-wireless ones later on and i still went back. i mostly use my wired headset now and have a fiio bluetooth receiver for the times i would prefer to be more mobile. i switch between two computers, a phone and a tablet quite a bit during the day, so having to fiddle with bluetooth settings every time i switch is more of a deal-breaker for me than some microphonic noises from the cable
- atoav 4y agoAs an audio guy I tried, but I don't like the sound. My Sennheiser HD-25 cans are perfect for the road. The cable and the cups are propperly decoupled from the headpart, the cable comes as a plug and play replacement should it fail after 3 years of rough (including sports) use. I have had one pair of these headphones for 16 years now. I wonder how airpods would compare in terms of pure surviveability.
- abxytg 4y agoI stopped traveling with my ath m50s when I got a half decent pair of noise cancelling cans.
- alkonaut 4y agoOn most laptops I find using a battery for any kind of heavy work a non-starter anyway. I might send an email or take a call on battery but I wouldn’t even launch a heavy IDE. Without aggressive power saving (I.e CPU sits under 1GHz even att full load meaning less than half the performance) then battery is often less than 30 minutes. I should add that this is for scorching hot “desktop replacement” (45W) laptops. But I also wouldn’t want to compromise on perf while plugged in, in order to get more battery time.
- abxytg 4y agoWhat?? I use mine for all heavy work (ide, video editing, Ableton) on battery. Why would you ever purchase a laptop you can't use lol.
- Avamander 4y agoIt's not that the OP would like that, it's just how it is with Intel+Nvidia "desktop replacements". Those setups do not scale too well between workloads.
- alkonaut 4y agoI don’t intend to use it away from a socket so I dont want to conpromise 1% of the performance when plugged in by getting a lower power CPU that has better perf only when not plugged in. What CPU do you have that doesn’t throttle? It’s not an Intel H, I’m guessing an Intel U version, M1, or Ryzen then.
- adamors 4y agoThis may be true on Intel/AMD based CPUs but it has not been my experience on an M1 machine. I have the same workflow both connected to power and not. Multiple docker containers running, slack, zoom etc. There's definitely no performance compromise.
- smoldesu 4y agoI mean, there is still a performance compromise; Docker on Mac sucks. Being forced to use APFS is incredibly slow for local Docker development.
- byefruit 4y agoFor what it's worth this is comparing against a 10th gen Intel. The 12th gen ones look like they'll outperform the M1s on a similar battery life: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-Plus-with-i7-1280P-thrashes-Apple-MacBook-Pro-13-with-M1-in-unfair-comparison-of-premium-13-inch-laptops.616566.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-Plus-with-i7-1280P... Note that that is a 12th gen P. I suspect the U CPUs won't perform quite as well but will offer much better battery life than the MBP.
- Avamander 4y agoYou'll get similar battery life only if the Intel gets severely power limited. A newer AMD would be more comparable.
- byefruit 4y agoIf you scroll down on the link above you can see some graphs that show the 1280P is significantly faster than the M1 and the battery lives are very similar 11 hours vs 13 hours. AMD are also doing a good job. The 7000s look very good. Crazy that this is still on a larger process node than Apple.
- Avamander 4y agoThat graph is about light load. The Intel is fast only with a ridiculous power usage, thus low runtime. It comes nowhere close to the M1's runtime when forced to the same high load.
- smoldesu 4y agoWell... yeah. Apple is running 5nm silicon, there's no way Intel can squeeze the same battery life out of that performance profile on their 10nm node. The flip side of this coin is that it's really good battery life for casual use, and it's not like that performance is going nowhere: it's thrashing the M1 in benchmarks. I think things will get a lot more interesting in 2024, when Intel and Apple are on similar nodes. Right now Apple is making chips with transistors that are 2-3 times as dense, but they're consistently losing the performance crown to x86 machines on dinosaur silicon. The performance-per-watt gap is bound to start closing, and when it does there won't be much of a benefit left to using ARM, especially if your casual users can get Macbook-beating battery life with it.
- sz4kerto 4y agoVideocalls kill M1 Mac batteries too. (Typing this from a 16" MBP M1 Pro that last around 4 hours if you're using Google Meet on it.)
- bnt 4y ago16" i9 Intel calling in: 90 minutes of Zoom max (100% to 10% battery)
- rr808 4y agoI have a XPS 15 with a 10th gen processor. Its absolutely perfect, linux support is great. Except it gets hot an battery life in 2-3 hours max. M1 stats seem a dream, just too expensive and screens are too small I can't justify it.
- l30n4da5 4y ago> not being able to use the machine for 10+ hours without charger is a dealbreaker in 2022 say the only laptop that is viable in your opinion is the M1 mac without saying the only laptop that is viable in your opinion is the M1 mac. seriously though, by those standards, there aren't many laptops that aren't 'dealbreakers'. 7-9 hours of use is actually pretty goog, judging by the broader market. 3-4 hours of intensive use is...arguably on the low end of battery life.
- hedora 4y agoMy pinebook pro beats those numbers, and it was $200. 4 hours intensive use would be a more of a deal breaker for me than the combined flaws of the pinebook pro, so I'd pay up to $200 for a laptop that only got 4 hours.
- l30n4da5 4y agomy TI 86 lasts for days on a single set of AA batteries, but you don't find me comparing it to my dell workstation, now do I?
- l30n4da5 4y agopretty good*