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It no longer makes sense to move from Russia to US. There may be better living standard in Moscow now. Uncle does not point it out, since he does not want start

It no longer makes sense to move from Russia to US. There may be better living standard in Moscow now. Uncle does not point it out, since he does not want start family argument. Canada and other govs are looking into confiscating assets of Russians who live in west. Bringing ~ $1M of assets (pension) from Russia to US might be very risky move.

usrn 4y ago
I'm not convinced the US has a higher standard of living, especially for the PMC. Here all your money gets sucked up by housing which isn't a problem in Russia.
thriftwy 4y ago
Well, in Russia it's almost impossible to live in your own quality home in a good weather with a local, well-paid job. That's still the selling point of the US. Yes, Moscow have good living standard for some definitions of living, but usually it will still mean living in a relatively small apartment of high-rise residential building. Singapore-style (only that it gets very cold).
- throw93232 4y ago
  》quality home in a good weather with a local, well-paid job Or maybe wooden shack with 2 hour commute for $1M :) Buing summer house on turkish riviera seems like better option.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    You can only use that summer house for 1-2 months per year tops, whereas your life would be passing between chilly winds of high rises and being crammed in subway/stuck in traffic.
    - dunkelheit 4y ago
      Moscow seems similar to San Francisco/New York in this regard - you move there if you want to be where the action is and put up with minor inconveniences. Climate-wise the Bay Area of course wins hands down, but I'm constantly hearing people living in the Bay Area complain about ridiculous rents, homeless, feces on the streets and muggings and in these areas Moscow fares quite a bit better. Grass is always greener.
vkou 4y ago
> There may be better living standard in Moscow now. It depends on what you value, but living in Russia if you aren't swigging the government kool-aid is a lot like living in the heart of Trumpland as a liberal. Everything around you looks broken, everyone[1] believes in literally insane things, corruption endemic to single-party rule is everywhere, but you have to shut up and put up with it, because being an unpatriot will be hazardous to your economic and physical health. If you shut up and keep your head down, the actual measured-by-economists standard of life is okay[2], it's all the other crap that you have to swallow to put up with it that really, really sucks. [1] In reality, it's not everyone, but people who don't believe that keep their mouth shut, because they know what's good for them. [2] Well, it was okay before sanctions, it's unclear what it's going to look like next year.
- throw93232 4y ago
  Honestly, that sounds awfully like US :)
- newfriend 4y ago
  Sounds like living in California as a conservative
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realitycheck123 4y ago
> It no longer makes sense to move from Russia to US. There may be better living standard in Moscow now. Let's look at the numbers. I'll chose the capital of a country, out of many, that russia has harassed, stolen territory from, and is actively threatening at the moment, to make it a fair comparison. Moscow GDP per capita: 22,060 USD 2018 Bucharest GDP per capita: 26,660 EUR 2018 Moscow average salary: 1100 USD 2021 Bucharest average salary: 1,614.91 USD 2021 If you factor in the massive gap between regular folks and oligarchs, and their employees, then the average worker in moscow is probably earning far less than that. So, at least based on numbers, your statement of "better living standard in Moscow" is a propagandist lie you fall for. Even if Moscow is a Potemkin village, with big fancy buildings, the standard of living appears to be comparable to Bucharest, Romania, if not lower. And Bucharest, thanks to russian dominance, is considered a poor city in a poor country in a poor EU country (Romania's per capita GDP and avg salaries are also higher than russia's). His uncle should move to the US at least based on these facts. And if I may recommend, please, leave your country every now and then, so you escape putin's propaganda.
- dunkelheit 4y ago
  Every statement that paints Russia in a positive light must be propaganda, right? This becomes tiring really fast. > Moscow average salary: 1100 USD 2021 Bucharest average salary: 1,614.91 USD 2021 It makes precisely zero sense comparing absolute numbers without factoring in cost of living. And we are talking about experienced software professionals. OP's uncle is probably making at least 4x more than that. Imagine making 4x average salary in your region.
  - realitycheck123 4y ago
    I imagine there are people making 4x average salary in Bucharest as well, not just Moscow. It makes precisely zero sense factoring in a lower cost of living, as likely Bucharest also has a low cost of living. Actually, the numbers I found factoring the cost of living Moscow v Bucharest were much much higher for Bucharest, to the point where I thought they were ridiculous, and wasn't sure about their accuracy, hence I chose those which put Moscow in a more favorable light. > Every statement that paints Russia in a positive light must be propaganda, right? This becomes tiring really fast. Yeah well, the statement paints a fake positive light about russia. I am sure even that country has many positives but I focused on specifically OP's statement, because it was simply a lie. You know what else becomes really tiring? What russia did and does to its neighbours since its inception. Focus on solving that, as people are more than eager to move on past territorial expansion wars and live in the current century.
FpUser 4y ago
>"Canada and other govs are looking into confiscating assets of Russians who live in west." I think they are talking about oligarchs whose assets were acquired as a results of a deal with the government. If they confiscate assets of your regular working immigrant because of nationality that would be outright theft and shame.

usrn 4y ago

I'm not convinced the US has a higher standard of living, especially for the PMC. Here all your money gets sucked up by housing which isn't a problem in Russia.

thriftwy 4y ago

Well, in Russia it's almost impossible to live in your own quality home in a good weather with a local, well-paid job. That's still the selling point of the US. Yes, Moscow have good living standard for some definitions of living, but usually it will still mean living in a relatively small apartment of high-rise residential building. Singapore-style (only that it gets very cold).

throw93232 4y ago
》quality home in a good weather with a local, well-paid job Or maybe wooden shack with 2 hour commute for $1M :) Buing summer house on turkish riviera seems like better option.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  You can only use that summer house for 1-2 months per year tops, whereas your life would be passing between chilly winds of high rises and being crammed in subway/stuck in traffic.
  - dunkelheit 4y ago
    Moscow seems similar to San Francisco/New York in this regard - you move there if you want to be where the action is and put up with minor inconveniences. Climate-wise the Bay Area of course wins hands down, but I'm constantly hearing people living in the Bay Area complain about ridiculous rents, homeless, feces on the streets and muggings and in these areas Moscow fares quite a bit better. Grass is always greener.

vkou 4y ago

> There may be better living standard in Moscow now. It depends on what you value, but living in Russia if you aren't swigging the government kool-aid is a lot like living in the heart of Trumpland as a liberal. Everything around you looks broken, everyone[1] believes in literally insane things, corruption endemic to single-party rule is everywhere, but you have to shut up and put up with it, because being an unpatriot will be hazardous to your economic and physical health. If you shut up and keep your head down, the actual measured-by-economists standard of life is okay[2], it's all the other crap that you have to swallow to put up with it that really, really sucks. [1] In reality, it's not everyone, but people who don't believe that keep their mouth shut, because they know what's good for them. [2] Well, it was okay before sanctions, it's unclear what it's going to look like next year.

throw93232 4y ago
Honestly, that sounds awfully like US :)
newfriend 4y ago
Sounds like living in California as a conservative
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realitycheck123 4y ago

> It no longer makes sense to move from Russia to US. There may be better living standard in Moscow now. Let's look at the numbers. I'll chose the capital of a country, out of many, that russia has harassed, stolen territory from, and is actively threatening at the moment, to make it a fair comparison. Moscow GDP per capita: 22,060 USD 2018 Bucharest GDP per capita: 26,660 EUR 2018 Moscow average salary: 1100 USD 2021 Bucharest average salary: 1,614.91 USD 2021 If you factor in the massive gap between regular folks and oligarchs, and their employees, then the average worker in moscow is probably earning far less than that. So, at least based on numbers, your statement of "better living standard in Moscow" is a propagandist lie you fall for. Even if Moscow is a Potemkin village, with big fancy buildings, the standard of living appears to be comparable to Bucharest, Romania, if not lower. And Bucharest, thanks to russian dominance, is considered a poor city in a poor country in a poor EU country (Romania's per capita GDP and avg salaries are also higher than russia's). His uncle should move to the US at least based on these facts. And if I may recommend, please, leave your country every now and then, so you escape putin's propaganda.

dunkelheit 4y ago
Every statement that paints Russia in a positive light must be propaganda, right? This becomes tiring really fast. > Moscow average salary: 1100 USD 2021 Bucharest average salary: 1,614.91 USD 2021 It makes precisely zero sense comparing absolute numbers without factoring in cost of living. And we are talking about experienced software professionals. OP's uncle is probably making at least 4x more than that. Imagine making 4x average salary in your region.
- realitycheck123 4y ago
  I imagine there are people making 4x average salary in Bucharest as well, not just Moscow. It makes precisely zero sense factoring in a lower cost of living, as likely Bucharest also has a low cost of living. Actually, the numbers I found factoring the cost of living Moscow v Bucharest were much much higher for Bucharest, to the point where I thought they were ridiculous, and wasn't sure about their accuracy, hence I chose those which put Moscow in a more favorable light. > Every statement that paints Russia in a positive light must be propaganda, right? This becomes tiring really fast. Yeah well, the statement paints a fake positive light about russia. I am sure even that country has many positives but I focused on specifically OP's statement, because it was simply a lie. You know what else becomes really tiring? What russia did and does to its neighbours since its inception. Focus on solving that, as people are more than eager to move on past territorial expansion wars and live in the current century.

FpUser 4y ago

>"Canada and other govs are looking into confiscating assets of Russians who live in west." I think they are talking about oligarchs whose assets were acquired as a results of a deal with the government. If they confiscate assets of your regular working immigrant because of nationality that would be outright theft and shame.