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> plus, even if woman select for taller men, men do not necessarily select for taller woman, and woman are part of this too let's not forget Men's preferences
by klipt 5y ago
> plus, even if woman select for taller men, men do not necessarily select for taller woman, and woman are part of this too let's not forget
Men's preferences only matter in a monogamous society, where less attractive women are expected to settle down with less attractive men who will financially support their kids.
But in modern welfare states, less attractive women can still sleep with very attractive men (whom they could never marry), have their children, and rely on the state to financially support their kids.
Which means the rich but unattractive men are, through taxes, paying for the children of the attractive men.
- aortega 5y ago>men do not necessarily select for taller woman Men don't select, because we don't get pregnant, our instinct is to mate with whoever we can. Women are nature's selector, not men.
- tsol 5y agoHe's not disagreeing with that. . After pregnancy there are about 18 years of raising a kid too-- so ability to provide is a part of selection. In the past women would have to take it into account, but now it's much less necessary because they will be provided for either way
- aortega 5y ago>Which means the rich but unattractive men are, through taxes, paying for the children of the attractive men I con't understand how so few people realize this. The modern 'incel crisis' is fueled by online dating and government subsidies. It's the perfect combination to ensure reproduction of only the top few percent of men.
- alphabettsy 5y ago> The modern 'incel crisis' is fueled by online dating and government subsidies. It’s really not. It’s fueled by echo chambers and it’s self-reinforcing.
- chii 5y agoi would claim that incels have existed in the past, but there wasn't a convenient way to gather and confide. With the advent of the internet and anonymity, it's easy to gather and confide. I dont know if you would consider this self-reinforcing though. Saying that this group is self-reinforcing would imply that homosexuals gathering online to talk and confide are similarly self-reinforcing.
- alphabettsy 5y ago> Saying that this group is self-reinforcing would imply that homosexuals gathering online to talk and confide are similarly self-reinforcing. It doesn’t imply that at all. Sexual attraction isn’t reinforced by being around a given orientation. Go hang out with gay people exclusively for a few weeks and let me know if you find yourself attracted to the same sex.
- chii 5y ago> Sexual attraction isn’t reinforced by being around a given orientation. exactly - and i'm saying that incels aren't self-reinforcing either.
- alphabettsy 5y agoI absolutely disagree. How do you support that conclusion? What I’ve heard from incels makes it easy to understand why women would be uninterested. That worldview and subsequent outcome would seem to be reinforced by spending lots of time with people who reinforce the negativity.