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Lucky for short people, height is a lot less of a factor in modern society. Wealth is a much bigger factor. And what's the best path to wealth? Software. Even m

Lucky for short people, height is a lot less of a factor in modern society. Wealth is a much bigger factor. And what's the best path to wealth? Software. Even more lucky for them, software and internet doesn't care about height.

ummonk 5y ago
You've got that backwards. Wealth was a far bigger factor in traditional society than in modern society.
aortega 5y ago
- bigfudge 5y ago
  Is that really why humans are getting taller? Most increase in height has happened in the last 70 years and linked to increases in nutrition. Selective pressure seems implausible as an explanation for any measurable increases in height in historical time.
  - Salgat 5y ago
    What if better nutrition has allowed for better selection of taller genes? Back when everyone was more nutrient deficient and had stunted growth, I imagine it would be much harder to select for a suppressed trait.
    - t-3 5y ago
      There was never really a time when everyone was nutrient deficient, unless you specify by region and economic class.
  - astrange 5y ago
    The selective pressure is actually for shorter people as all the taller people were killed in WW1.
    - doubleunplussed 5y ago
      It's the opposite [1]: "taller soldiers are more likely to survive battle and that taller parents are more likely to have sons". This was based on his research of British Army records from the First World War, which showed that "surviving soldiers were on average more than one inch (3.33 cm) taller than fallen soldiers" [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Returning_soldier_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Returning_soldier_effect
      - astrange 4y ago
        I was thinking that the taller men were recruited to the army first, while the rest didn't leave home at all. But eventually everyone would've joined I suppose.
  - chrischen 5y ago
    Yep, and studies show after 1980 people have actually been getting shorter (at least in Japan, which can be considered almost a post-modern society when compared to the US) [1]. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/science-health/average-height-japanese-born-1980-later-declining-study-finds/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/scienc...
- chrischen 5y ago
  I think the stats you are referencing about humans getting taller are from improvements in childhood nutrition. I don't think genetically we've been selecting for taller people, as that is harder to conclude (plus, even if woman select for taller men, men do not necessarily select for taller woman, and woman are part of this too let's not forget). > Women usually marry the millionaire, but have sex with the pool boy. This dual-mating strategy is instinctive. Yea and the man has concubines, and the prenup? Pretty sure the woman usually doesn't have the pool boy's children in these stories. EDIT: See here for a study showing after 1980 people have actually been getting shorter (at least in Japan, which can be considered almost a post-modern society when compared to the US) [1]. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/science-health/average-height-japanese-born-1980-later-declining-study-finds/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/scienc...
  - aortega 5y ago
    >Pretty sure the woman usually doesn't have the pool boy's children You'd be surprised.
    - lupire 5y ago
      Pool boys barely even exist in real life.
      - to1y 5y ago
        In this context it's: Any attractive available man she spends enough time alone with.
        magicalist 5y ago
        Really it's a made up story from "data" that hasn't been shared from someone who is apparently happily married and learned about online dating at least second hand but seemingly just from tropes they've heard in online forums, so I'm not too worked up about the situation.
  - 5y ago
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  I am sure there are some women for which that's true, but do you really think it's that strong of a universal? IDK, whenever men write stuff like that I always think to myself "you need to hang around better people". Like you can absolutely 100% find women that cold and calculating and dishonest. But acting like all women are that impulsive is really strange to me. That's like saying all men will beat you up and rob you because it makes sense in evolutionary terms.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    We are talking about attractiveness here, you can't choose who you are attracted to. So in one case you have a wife who fucks the pool boy, in the other you have a wife that wants to fuck the pool boy but doesn't since she is a great person. But in both cases you have a wife who is more sexually attracted to others than to you, you can live with that but it is sad for those people. Just like how old men tend to be more attracted to young women than their old wives, and that makes those wives sad even if those men never leave their wife or cheats, reality has a lot of sad facts like that.
    - Shugarl 5y ago
      You'll never be the most attractive person in the world though. Even if your SO think you're attractive, there's a huge amount of people they'd be more attracted to, if they had the chance to meet them.
- msrenee 5y ago
  Are you basing your understanding of human sexuality and genetics off a bad movie trope? Or do you think all women are Anna Nicole Smith?
- jimbob45 5y ago
  I think you’ve nailed the central point here: men get stuck in the friend zone where they can’t have sex with a woman. However, women have the opposite problem where they get stuck in the fuck zone where the man only wants casual sex and doesn’t care about a romantic, emotional, or cohabitative relationship. Just because you’re getting Tinder matches doesn’t mean you’re finding the type of relationship you want. I see a lot of men on /pol/ unable to see that things can be equally difficult in different ways on the female side.
  - usrn 5y ago
    I'm not convinced the friend zone is real, I think some women are just fine being friends with people they don't want to have sex with. I've gotten out of the "friend zone" with multiple women I know.
- l33t2328 5y ago
  You’re implying chronic cheating is biologically ingrained in women? Jesus christ this place gets weird sometimes...
  - magicalist 5y ago
    Yes, this thread has brought out quite a few "I read an evo psych article once" experts.
- oneoff786 5y ago
  > the data is quite clear. Please, share it with us then
ayngg 5y ago
There was a study on online dating habits that said that even someone who was 5'8 would need to earn ~138k more than the same 6'0 person to be considered equivalent, controlling for everything else [1]. Of course it is just one study and I havent looked into it fully but nonetheless. [1] https://home.uchicago.edu/~hortacsu/onlinedating.pdf https://home.uchicago.edu/~hortacsu/onlinedating.pdf table 5.5
- chrischen 5y ago
  Online dating sucks because of its emphasis on quick and easily verifiable external traits. The mitigation is to avoid it.
chroma 5y ago
I'm a multimillionaire and every single woman I've dated has said, "I'm glad I took a chance on you even though you're so short." I'm 5'6". Women filter on height the same way that men filter on weight & age. If you don't pass that first filter, it doesn't matter what your advantages are.
- aortega 5y ago
  I used to go out with a friend of mine, he's a multiple business owner, a miltimillionarie since he was 25, blonde, blue eyes, etc. Also he's very social, he was always the 'soul of the party' etc. Me, at that time I had a 10 years old car, but I'm 5'9 and he's 5'6. I always was the one that got the phone numbers, always.
  - chrischen 5y ago
    Well chroma is giving an anecdote not necessarily how about how women choose him despite being short, but about the women who did end up choosing him realizing that height ended up being an irrelevant factor given his other qualities.
dwighteb 5y ago
What is not so lucky for short people is how our modern society rewards tall people with more wealth. S&P 500 CEO’s have an average height of 6ft, compared to the average height of 5ft10in in the US. Also, 30 percent of SP500 CEO’s are 6ft2in or taller, compared to only 3.9 percent of the rest of the US population. These things matter across the board, not just in the top tier management positions. Each inch of height adds $789 of average yearly salary, which makes a huge difference between a 5ft5 in person compared to someone who is 6ft tall. https://www.premiumtimesng.com/entertainment/naija-fashion/203429-many-ceos-tall-people-height-matter-bisi-daniels.html https://www.premiumtimesng.com/entertainment/naija-fashion/2...

ummonk 5y ago

You've got that backwards. Wealth was a far bigger factor in traditional society than in modern society.

aortega 5y ago

bigfudge 5y ago
Is that really why humans are getting taller? Most increase in height has happened in the last 70 years and linked to increases in nutrition. Selective pressure seems implausible as an explanation for any measurable increases in height in historical time.
- Salgat 5y ago
  What if better nutrition has allowed for better selection of taller genes? Back when everyone was more nutrient deficient and had stunted growth, I imagine it would be much harder to select for a suppressed trait.
  - t-3 5y ago
    There was never really a time when everyone was nutrient deficient, unless you specify by region and economic class.
- astrange 5y ago
  The selective pressure is actually for shorter people as all the taller people were killed in WW1.
  - doubleunplussed 5y ago
    It's the opposite [1]: "taller soldiers are more likely to survive battle and that taller parents are more likely to have sons". This was based on his research of British Army records from the First World War, which showed that "surviving soldiers were on average more than one inch (3.33 cm) taller than fallen soldiers" [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Returning_soldier_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Returning_soldier_effect
    - astrange 4y ago
      I was thinking that the taller men were recruited to the army first, while the rest didn't leave home at all. But eventually everyone would've joined I suppose.
- chrischen 5y ago
  Yep, and studies show after 1980 people have actually been getting shorter (at least in Japan, which can be considered almost a post-modern society when compared to the US) [1]. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/science-health/average-height-japanese-born-1980-later-declining-study-finds/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/scienc...
chrischen 5y ago
I think the stats you are referencing about humans getting taller are from improvements in childhood nutrition. I don't think genetically we've been selecting for taller people, as that is harder to conclude (plus, even if woman select for taller men, men do not necessarily select for taller woman, and woman are part of this too let's not forget). > Women usually marry the millionaire, but have sex with the pool boy. This dual-mating strategy is instinctive. Yea and the man has concubines, and the prenup? Pretty sure the woman usually doesn't have the pool boy's children in these stories. EDIT: See here for a study showing after 1980 people have actually been getting shorter (at least in Japan, which can be considered almost a post-modern society when compared to the US) [1]. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/science-health/average-height-japanese-born-1980-later-declining-study-finds/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/scienc...
- aortega 5y ago
  >Pretty sure the woman usually doesn't have the pool boy's children You'd be surprised.
  - lupire 5y ago
    Pool boys barely even exist in real life.
    - to1y 5y ago
      In this context it's: Any attractive available man she spends enough time alone with.
      - magicalist 5y ago
        Really it's a made up story from "data" that hasn't been shared from someone who is apparently happily married and learned about online dating at least second hand but seemingly just from tropes they've heard in online forums, so I'm not too worked up about the situation.
- 5y ago
LAC-Tech 5y ago
I am sure there are some women for which that's true, but do you really think it's that strong of a universal? IDK, whenever men write stuff like that I always think to myself "you need to hang around better people". Like you can absolutely 100% find women that cold and calculating and dishonest. But acting like all women are that impulsive is really strange to me. That's like saying all men will beat you up and rob you because it makes sense in evolutionary terms.
- Jensson 5y ago
  We are talking about attractiveness here, you can't choose who you are attracted to. So in one case you have a wife who fucks the pool boy, in the other you have a wife that wants to fuck the pool boy but doesn't since she is a great person. But in both cases you have a wife who is more sexually attracted to others than to you, you can live with that but it is sad for those people. Just like how old men tend to be more attracted to young women than their old wives, and that makes those wives sad even if those men never leave their wife or cheats, reality has a lot of sad facts like that.
  - Shugarl 5y ago
    You'll never be the most attractive person in the world though. Even if your SO think you're attractive, there's a huge amount of people they'd be more attracted to, if they had the chance to meet them.
msrenee 5y ago
Are you basing your understanding of human sexuality and genetics off a bad movie trope? Or do you think all women are Anna Nicole Smith?
jimbob45 5y ago
I think you’ve nailed the central point here: men get stuck in the friend zone where they can’t have sex with a woman. However, women have the opposite problem where they get stuck in the fuck zone where the man only wants casual sex and doesn’t care about a romantic, emotional, or cohabitative relationship. Just because you’re getting Tinder matches doesn’t mean you’re finding the type of relationship you want. I see a lot of men on /pol/ unable to see that things can be equally difficult in different ways on the female side.
- usrn 5y ago
  I'm not convinced the friend zone is real, I think some women are just fine being friends with people they don't want to have sex with. I've gotten out of the "friend zone" with multiple women I know.
l33t2328 5y ago
You’re implying chronic cheating is biologically ingrained in women? Jesus christ this place gets weird sometimes...
- magicalist 5y ago
  Yes, this thread has brought out quite a few "I read an evo psych article once" experts.
oneoff786 5y ago
> the data is quite clear. Please, share it with us then

ayngg 5y ago

There was a study on online dating habits that said that even someone who was 5'8 would need to earn ~138k more than the same 6'0 person to be considered equivalent, controlling for everything else [1]. Of course it is just one study and I havent looked into it fully but nonetheless. [1] https://home.uchicago.edu/~hortacsu/onlinedating.pdf https://home.uchicago.edu/~hortacsu/onlinedating.pdf table 5.5

chrischen 5y ago
Online dating sucks because of its emphasis on quick and easily verifiable external traits. The mitigation is to avoid it.

chroma 5y ago

I'm a multimillionaire and every single woman I've dated has said, "I'm glad I took a chance on you even though you're so short." I'm 5'6". Women filter on height the same way that men filter on weight & age. If you don't pass that first filter, it doesn't matter what your advantages are.

aortega 5y ago
I used to go out with a friend of mine, he's a multiple business owner, a miltimillionarie since he was 25, blonde, blue eyes, etc. Also he's very social, he was always the 'soul of the party' etc. Me, at that time I had a 10 years old car, but I'm 5'9 and he's 5'6. I always was the one that got the phone numbers, always.
- chrischen 5y ago
  Well chroma is giving an anecdote not necessarily how about how women choose him despite being short, but about the women who did end up choosing him realizing that height ended up being an irrelevant factor given his other qualities.

dwighteb 5y ago

What is not so lucky for short people is how our modern society rewards tall people with more wealth. S&P 500 CEO’s have an average height of 6ft, compared to the average height of 5ft10in in the US. Also, 30 percent of SP500 CEO’s are 6ft2in or taller, compared to only 3.9 percent of the rest of the US population. These things matter across the board, not just in the top tier management positions. Each inch of height adds $789 of average yearly salary, which makes a huge difference between a 5ft5 in person compared to someone who is 6ft tall. https://www.premiumtimesng.com/entertainment/naija-fashion/203429-many-ceos-tall-people-height-matter-bisi-daniels.html https://www.premiumtimesng.com/entertainment/naija-fashion/2...