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Fair enough, I wasn't aware. I'll check it out. I think you mean this: “Lost in Math: How Beauty Leads Physics Astray” https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Math-Beauty

Fair enough, I wasn't aware. I'll check it out. I think you mean this: “Lost in Math: How Beauty Leads Physics Astray” https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Math-Beauty-Physics-Astray/dp/0465094252 https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Math-Beauty-Physics-Astray/dp/04... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1KFTPqc0nQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1KFTPqc0nQ I still find the tone off putting, reminds me of the fox and the grapes fable, not sure if it's known to most cultures. Nevertheless, I'll watch the video and reexamine my opinion.

ianai 5y ago
I’m just generally increasingly off put by the internets incessant “quibbling”. This seemingly endless juxtaposition of antithesis to follow any thesis. At some point that becomes just more noise, and that can be used by an agenda. I still found her point valid and interesting and not at all noise. My takeaway is more that new physics might well be out of our energetic grasps until we build some much larger accelerators. Little idea how to convince society of the worth of that expense. Maybe if it can produce useful substances for industrial use. I’d love more knowledge on expansions to the periodic table, for example.
- thechao 5y ago
  The HN-centric term for this is "middlebrow"; a good middlebrow filter is definitely required to navigate HN.
  - ianai 5y ago
    Can you elaborate?
    - gralx 5y ago
      ya i aint never heard the term b4 neither. colorful. wonder if middlebrow refers to furrowing between teh browz??>
    - pegasus 5y ago
      Searching HN for it brings up this explanation as the first hit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5072224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5072224
- rad88 5y ago
  Adding more because I've read her book (not to quibble). I wouldn't say the point is that new physics is out of reach until we build more expensive accelerators. She herself is a theoretical physicist, has theories she'd like to see tested and proposes experiments that could do so. I think she's saying rather that particle physics involves enormous opportunity costs -- decades long / billion dollar experiments -- and that the research agenda is not scientifically justified, but is sociological and even aesthetic in origin.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  I am as well, because the internet isn’t designed for people to reach an objective consensus about reality nor does it account for the way humans really engage one another naturally. We need a platform designed to encourage people to reach understanding but anyone, myself included, who wants to do this is looking for a profit motive when some things are more important than profit as much as I hate to say it.
robonerd 5y ago
> fox and the grapes fable, not sure if it's known to most cultures. That's one of Aesop's fables. I believe it's widely known, at least in all western cultures. The fox can't reach the grapes he desires, so he concludes the grapes were sour and he didn't want them anyway.
- tambourine_man 5y ago
  That's the one, yes.
  - thechao 5y ago
    The idiom "sour grapes" comes from that story!
cwillu 5y ago
If it's what I think it is, it's usually (in english at least) succinctly referred to as "Sour grapes"

ianai 5y ago

I’m just generally increasingly off put by the internets incessant “quibbling”. This seemingly endless juxtaposition of antithesis to follow any thesis. At some point that becomes just more noise, and that can be used by an agenda. I still found her point valid and interesting and not at all noise. My takeaway is more that new physics might well be out of our energetic grasps until we build some much larger accelerators. Little idea how to convince society of the worth of that expense. Maybe if it can produce useful substances for industrial use. I’d love more knowledge on expansions to the periodic table, for example.

thechao 5y ago
The HN-centric term for this is "middlebrow"; a good middlebrow filter is definitely required to navigate HN.
- ianai 5y ago
  Can you elaborate?
  - gralx 5y ago
    ya i aint never heard the term b4 neither. colorful. wonder if middlebrow refers to furrowing between teh browz??>
  - pegasus 5y ago
    Searching HN for it brings up this explanation as the first hit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5072224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5072224
rad88 5y ago
Adding more because I've read her book (not to quibble). I wouldn't say the point is that new physics is out of reach until we build more expensive accelerators. She herself is a theoretical physicist, has theories she'd like to see tested and proposes experiments that could do so. I think she's saying rather that particle physics involves enormous opportunity costs -- decades long / billion dollar experiments -- and that the research agenda is not scientifically justified, but is sociological and even aesthetic in origin.
edgyquant 5y ago
I am as well, because the internet isn’t designed for people to reach an objective consensus about reality nor does it account for the way humans really engage one another naturally. We need a platform designed to encourage people to reach understanding but anyone, myself included, who wants to do this is looking for a profit motive when some things are more important than profit as much as I hate to say it.

robonerd 5y ago

> fox and the grapes fable, not sure if it's known to most cultures. That's one of Aesop's fables. I believe it's widely known, at least in all western cultures. The fox can't reach the grapes he desires, so he concludes the grapes were sour and he didn't want them anyway.

tambourine_man 5y ago
That's the one, yes.
- thechao 5y ago
  The idiom "sour grapes" comes from that story!

cwillu 5y ago

If it's what I think it is, it's usually (in english at least) succinctly referred to as "Sour grapes"